Watercolour Paper Swap

[rkolig]

Swap Due Date - June 15th
Signup/withdraw date - June 7th
Number of Cards - 12 for 12
Number of participants - 2 groups of 12 each.

The aim of this swap is to be able to try out different types of Watercolour Paper. Each participant will send in 12 ATC sized pieces of their paper. On the back of each blank, write with pencil, your name and the type of paper. Each person will get back one of every kind of paper from their group.

Open to all, but each group is to have 12 different kinds of paper.

Postage guidelines
Canadian participants please send an addressed label and 2 regular postage stamps. US, please tuck a $1 bill in there and an address label. Other internationals please include a mailing label.

Color Purple = received

Group 1 - Full
1. Ibus (Scotland) = Bockingford 140lb/300gsm
2. Adriayna (US) = Arches 140 lb rough
3. AnitaM (UK) = Crimson and Blake 180gsm acid free paper
4. Altermyworld (Canada) = Windsor Newton 140 cold
5. Rkolig = watercolor canvas
6. Stormarela (Canada) = Canson cold press 140 lb
7. Teri (US) = Strathmore 140 lb cold press
8. ADifferentStory (UK) = Oriental Rice Paper
9. Lynn101 (Canada) = Arches 300 lb hot press
10. TheeCoyote (US) = Aquarelle Arches 140# hot press
11. Inkleaves (Singapore) = Saunders Waterford 300 gsm hot-pressed
12. SueW (AU) = Aqvarelle Arches 850g/m2 rough - en route

Group 2
1.Scramper Sue (US) = Strathmore 140 lb cold press
2. Lynn101 = Saunders Waterford 200 lb cold press
3. rkolig = Arches 140 lb cold press medium
4. Altermyworld (Canada) = handmade 200 lb cold pressed (nice thick texture)
5. Adriayna (US) = Canson 128 lb rough
6. Thee Coyote (US) = Aquabee 120# Hemp
7. Ibus (Scotland) = Windsor & Newton Cotman 200lbs/425gsm cold pressed/not*grain fin
8. Stormarela (Canada) = Fabriano 140 lbs 100% Cotton Rough - traditional white
9. Merricat (US) = Arches 140lb. hot press
10. Amerasu = Strathmore Aquarius 80 lb cold press
11. Jean = Fredrix artist canvas for all mediums
12. Wme133 = Bockingford 140lb. cold press "tinted"

[altermyworld]

i have windsor.
PLease sign me up
ANg

[Ibus]

Thanks :)

[adriayna]

Sorry, I should be more specific.

I have Canson 128 lb rough watercolor paper, which is my ultimate favorite.

I also have Arches 140 lb rough, which is also very, very nice (and expensive!)

[stormarela]

I want to jump in here too... and am going to go purchase some watercolour paper tonight so I can play. Please hold me a space...

[rkolig]

OK, got you all. I'll check to see what else I've got, but I put down the watercolor canvas that I have.

[teri]

I'd love to join in! I have some Strathmore 140 lb cold press.

[stormarela]

I have Canson Cold Press Montval 140 lb block.

[ScramperSue]

May I join?? I am just starting out in painting etc...The only kind I have is; Strathmore watercolor cold press 140lb. paper...it has a nice texture to it and is fairly sturdy.
I'd love to get a sampling of other brands :D

[frogwings]

Me too, please! I'm not sure at the moment what I've got, (besides some cheap stuff :( But I'm sure I can find something different; if need be, I'm close to Boston/Cambridge, and could check out the *yummy* art stores there...this sounds wonderful.

[Sue W]

Could you include me as well please ... I'll double check what I've got and get back to you tomorrow. I love the idea of this swap!!!

[adifferentstory]

If there is still a space i'd like in please.

I have Oriental Rice Paper - Used in traditional chinese watercolours and brush painting.

[lynn101]

I'd love to sign up to please if there is still space? I'll go check out my supply and see whats there :)

[rkolig]

Sue, we already have Strathmore 140 lb cold press. But if there is enough interest, I'll start another group.

[rkolig]

Ang, what type of Windsor do you have?

[altermyworld]

I belive it is 140 cold pressed.
I have arches 140 hot pressed if you all would rather try a hot pressed.
Let me know.
ANg

[lynn101]

I have Saunders Waterford 200 lb cold press watercolor paper and Arches 300 lb hot press, any preferences? I can send either. :)

[adriayna]

I'd love to try both. Maybe we need two groups.

[rkolig]

OK, I'll start a 2nd group, but I'm changing the postage requirement a bit. Please check it everyone. I think this mailing might get a bit heavier than the average.

[rkolig]

ADS, does Oriental Rice paper require a special type of watercolour? How thick is it?

[rkolig]

Lynn, the hot press would be nice. Or you can join both groups. Let me know. Dana, should I split you up into the 2 groups?

Sue, I've added you to group 2

I'm going to go to the art supply store today and see what yummy paper they have.

Lets try to keep the swap to really good quality paper. This will be a good way to get samples of good paper cheaply then.

[rkolig]

Ang, let me know if you'd like to do 2 groups too.

[adriayna]

Yeah, that is fine Mary :).

[AnitaM]

I have Crimson and Blake 180gsm acid free paper - doesn't say whether its cold/hot pressed and I'm not experienced enough to take a guess. I am more than willing to share as I have a large spiral bound book of 24 pages.

[adifferentstory]

ADS, does Oriental Rice paper require a special type of watercolour? How thick is it?

You can use any watercolour or ink on it. It is thin (approx copier paper weight), but is an excellent material to work on. Watercolours and inks flow beautifully on it. It can be quite expensive to buy, but I ordered a few sheets and they were out of stock and they sent me a roll of it instead. I will put in 3 ATC's sized pieces for each person in my group as it's not very thick.

[altermyworld]

i'll do two groups,
first the canson 140 cold pressed
second a handmade 200 lb cold pressed (nice thick texture)
ANg

[rkolig]

You can use any watercolour or ink on it. It is thin (approx copier paper weight), but is an excellent material to work on. Watercolours and inks flow beautifully on it. It can be quite expensive to buy, but I ordered a few sheets and they were out of stock and they sent me a roll of it instead. I will put in 3 ATC's sized pieces for each person in my group as it's not very thick.

Sounds fun!

I picked up some Yupo and some Arches 140 lb medium. Will update the list now.

[adifferentstory]

I just can't get on with the Yupo paper. i must be doing something wrong but watercolours will not dry on it for me LOL

[adriayna]

ADS, you need to let them dry a long time. Its plastic, so watercolors aren't absorbed at all on it.

[adifferentstory]

Cheers Dana. Also I think I may have used too much water with it.

[rkolig]

I asked them about it today. They said you have to let the water evaporate. I guess that just means dry. LOL

[altermyworld]

I zap it with a heat gun, also Yupo ....don't erase ...it causes it to do weird ugly things, paint won't stick to it properly.
ANg

[adifferentstory]

Maybe I should stick to permanent markers on it LOL

[TheeCoyote]

Please add me to the appropriate group.
I can send any one of these. Tell me which one.
Aquarelle Arches 140# hot press
Aquabee 90# Hemp
Canson Mi-Tientes 90# pastel paper (I use it for wet media all the time and have many colors from black to light neutrals)

Since I have more than one type to offer, I'd be willing to take a place in both groups.

[Ibus]

Please save me a place in the other group, I'll go see what yummy paper I can get tomorrow! I too don't want to miss out on any of the different kinds.

[rkolig]

TheeCoyote, I have you down for the Arches Hot Press and the hemp paper.

[rkolig]

I went through my art stash. I also have Canson Montval 140 lb cold press and
Strathmore 140 lb cold press. I'll take another spot with one of these if we don't fill up.

And Ibus, I'm saving another spot for you.

[rkolig]

Ang, with the Yupo, should I not write on the back what it is? Don't want to damage it. I suppose the texture will give it away.

[stormarela]

Please save me a spot in the second group. I'm going shopping again!.... This is habit forming.

[rkolig]

OK, I'll put you in. Try to get something that we don't already have. This is fun. Almost like Christmas shopping. LOL

[stormarela]

I'm printing out the list of whats coming, and will pick something different. It is fun, an excuse to shop. I'm even going to an art supply store I have never been to before. I did already send in my first papers, but I'll send another envelope with the second batch.

[TheeCoyote]

TheeCoyote, I have you down for the Arches Hot Press and the hemp paper.

Okie dokie, noted.

[Sue W]

I've checked what I currently have, it's Aqvarelle Arches 850g/m2 ... is this OK?

[Sue W]

ooops I should have mentioned it's rough.

[inkleaves]

If any of the below papers are ok, I'd like to be in Group 1, please.

I have:
Terschelling (Holland) 300gsm Cold Pressed
Saunders Waterford 300 gsm Hot Pressed
The Langton (Daler Rowney) 300 gsm NOT (cold-pressed) Grain Fin
Daler Rowney Aquafine 250 gsm (110 lb) Grain Fin Cold Pressed (NOT)

- The difference between the two Daler-Rowneys other than weight is the Langton is more textured (traditionally mould-made). For a Cold Pressed paper the Aquafine is quite smooth.

[rkolig]

I'd love to try some Saunders Waterford .
I'm not familiar with the others.

Edited to add: but I'm certainly no expert either. LOL

[rkolig]

OK, Sue, got you down

[rkolig]

I'm printing out the list of whats coming, and will pick something different. It is fun, an excuse to shop. I'm even going to an art supply store I have never been to before. I did already send in my first papers, but I'll send another envelope with the second batch.

I'll probably visit the art supply store again too, so I can fill in any gaps.

[stormarela]

I am back with PAPER, and, I am not allowed to go shopping anymore (atleast not this week!)
I now have Fabriano 140 lbs 100% Cotton Rough - traditional white,
and Cartiera Magnani, Portofino Acquerello 100% cotton, 140 lbs Hot Press

so, pick one for my submission, and if you have a group 3, I will be ready with the other one.

[teri]

Oh, I've wanted to try that Fabriano. I've heard good things about it. I think I need to take a trip to my art supply store.

[rkolig]

Oh wow! Sounds lovely!

I'll put you down for the Fabriano now. You never know about another group. LOL

[inkleaves]

Hey! I have some recollection of buying some Fabriano. Hmmm.... I have to go hunt for it...

Thanks for the reminder Stormarela!

(You can guess how organised (or not) my art space is!)

[stormarela]

well, it cant be any worse than my space...

[Ibus]

Oh wow! Sounds lovely!

I'll put you down for the Fabriano now. You never know about another group. LOL
LOL I better hedge my bets like Stormarela and get two more types!!

[Merricat]

Ooh! I'd love to join! I'll send Arches 140lb. HOT press - will that work?

[adifferentstory]

Instead of writing on the backs of the yupo paper why don't you put each ATC size piece in a trading card sleeve and slip in a piece of paper with your user names and type of paper on. I will be doing that with the oriental rice paper as it's fairly thin and don't want to ruin it.

[AnitaM]

Ok just to make sure I have got this right (I know being a bit thick!!) we are cutting the paper into x12 ATC's putting them in a sleeve with description weight, user name etc and then sending them - right?

Could I have an address to send to please? Also is there a paypal account where I can send money to?

[rkolig]

Anita, yes you're cutting them to ATC size. You can put them into a sleeve to protect them, but you don't have to (more weight). Depending on the thickness of them, you could probably get 3 or 4 into one sleeve. 12 cards will quickly go over the minimum postal limit, so I'm going to try to keep the weight down as much as possible.

As far as Paypal. I have an account, but don't bother. If you can't access a US dollar, I'll cover the return. I'll PM you my address.

[rkolig]

Merr, Arches 140lb. HOT press sounds great. Group 2 doesn't have it yet.

[adifferentstory]

Will 2 x 52c (Canadian) stamps cover postage to the UK. If not how many US$'s will cover it?

[rkolig]

No. Postage to the UK will be at around $1.50 (minimum). Postage to the US from Canada is 96 cents. And that depends on if we can stay under the minimum, which I think we're gonna go over. 12 blanks with 1 300 lb'er may quickly put us over. I haven't checked yet, but will quickly find out.

If you have any stamps to send that would be great, but I know I'll end up paying some postage, so...hey...get me while I have the money. LOL

Please, don't anyone send me bubble wraps!!! I won't use them.

You know what? I think I'm going to take a test envie to the post office today and find out what postage for 12 140 lb cards would be to US and UK. I'll let you know then.

[adriayna]

Yeah, you have to let the water evaporate. It works well once you get the hang of it :) Fingerprints are bad too. don't touch it.

[adriayna]

Mary, I think I have some canadian stamps I can send you.

[adifferentstory]

I'll send the 2 canagian stamps I have and then send the rest in US$ when you find out how much it will be.

[inkleaves]

Has anyone seen this in the stores? This is a watercolor paper sampler from Strathmore with 2-3 sheets each of different types of paper all in one pad. I can just make out from the picture that it contains:

Imperial 140 lb rough, 2 sheets
Imperial 140 lb CP, 2 sheets
Imperial 140 lb HP, 2 sheets
Aquarius II 80 lb (?) CP, 3 sheets,
Gemini 140 lb rough, 2 sheets
Gemini 140 lb CP, 2 sheets

http://www.dickblick.com/zz101/17/

[rkolig]

Inkleaves, I haven't seen any of these, but what I've read says that the sampler is their top of the line stuff.

The Imperial is 100% cotton, Aquarius II is a blend. Gemini is supposedly for intermediate to advanced artists and is 100% cotton.

[rkolig]

Here's the update on the postage.

To the US it will likely be $1.15
to UK or Australia or whereever = 2.30
Within Canada = 96 cents

[AnitaM]

Does any of the UK people know if I can just buy US dollars from the post office or bank - what denominations do they do them in? any help would be appreciated its very fustrating not being able to pay.

[rkolig]

You can get some at a bank or a currency exchange. Not sure they'd carry 1 dollar bills tho.

Don't sweat it too much. If you can easily get something fine, if not and you'd like to, slip in a couple extra blanks or an ATC or something. Honestly, when you host, you know there is going to be some out of pocket expense. If I upped it to a 3rd group, I'd worry more, but as is, I can handle it. I won't starve. OK?

If we do this again, what we should do is figure out how many blanks you can send and still stay under the weight limit for 1 stamp. My guess is 6 or 8.

[inkleaves]

Inkleaves, I haven't seen any of these, but what I've read says that the sampler is their top of the line stuff.

The Imperial is 100% cotton, Aquarius II is a blend. Gemini is supposedly for intermediate to advanced artists and is 100% cotton.

Thanks :) That sounds pretty good, to be able to try out a variety of the good stuff for US$8.13; might look out for it next time I'm at the art store. But I'm guessing it would be dangerous on the pocketbook to fall in love with any of the papers and have to buy them in sheets or blocks!

[rkolig]

Still need type info from Ibus and Frogwings. Sue are you still in?

And we have 2 more spots open. I know Jean is interested. Come on Jean, you want in, you know it and I know it!!! LOL

[Ibus]

Sorry, when I started this I didn't think of weight, I knew I could only have twelve players as it was my first swop, so that was the reason for the size of group.
Today I got some Windsor & Newton Cotman 200lbs/425gsm cold pressed/not*grain fin. It's a rather nice thick one.
I also got a Goldline 90lbs/200gsm cold press that is made from a mix of cotton and lignin free cellulose.
Quite honestly, I was rather disappointed in our local art store, but I suppose they cater to demand. I could've got a wide selection of 140lb, but very little else.

[adifferentstory]

Where did you get that 425g (200lb) watercolour paper from Ibus? I have never seen that and I don't seem to be able to get anything over 140lb (300gm).

[Ibus]

At Millers our local Art store. I got the only two kinds that weren't 140lb! It was £6.50 for 10 sheets 10" x 7". It's just dawned on me that there's another art shop in town. I'll have to get some more pennies together before I go shopping there!

[adifferentstory]

I'll have to have a look online and see if I can get it.

[jean]

LOL, Mary! Yes, of course I want in - but here's what I have:
Strathmore 140 lb coldpress and Fredrix artist canvas pad for any medium, which I've never tried b/c it says it's real canvas and I had no idea I could use watercolour on it.

If either or both of these are ok, I'll sign up.

[Ibus]

I'll have to have a look online and see if I can get it.

If not, I can get you some and send it down to you.

[adifferentstory]

Thanks Elizabeth. I'll let you know if I need any.

[Sue W]

Yes I'm still interested, however I don't have access to US dollars. Are you sure I can't pop the amount in your PAYPAL account? Postage to Australia is never inexpensive, so let me know what you think.

[stormarela]

Ladies, I want you to know this can lead to amazing things.... I started off looking for just the 'right' envelope to send my papers in... well, in the last hour I have filled 2 boxes marked for Recycling, and sorted out one shelf.... I hate 'organizing' ... however, something happened, and I am a teeny weeny bit more organized than ever before..... This thread should come with a warning!

[rkolig]

Yes I'm still interested, however I don't have access to US dollars. Are you sure I can't pop the amount in your PAYPAL account? Postage to Australia is never inexpensive, so let me know what you think.

Sorry SueW, I meant ScramperSue. She hasn't checked in since the first time she expressed interest.

Sue W hun, you send me 1 or 2 extra of that luscious sounding Aqvarelle Arches 850g/m2 rough and I'll be happy.

[rkolig]

Jean, we have Strathmore 140 in both groups, but I can put you in group 2 for the canvas. Howz that sound?

LOL, Mary! Yes, of course I want in - but here's what I have:
Strathmore 140 lb coldpress and Fredrix artist canvas pad for any medium, which I've never tried b/c it says it's real canvas and I had no idea I could use watercolour on it.

If either or both of these are ok, I'll sign up.

[rkolig]

OK, I think I've updated the list correctly. Everyone, please look it over. I seem to be having alot of senior moments lately.

[jean]

Works for me, RK. Canvas it is!

[TheeCoyote]

I'm all excited about having some different stuff to work on.
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-045.gif

[Sue W]

I'll send some extras for you!!! :yes:

[rkolig]

I can't wait to experiment with the new papers!

[adifferentstory]

I'll be mailing mine either tomorrow or Tuesday.

[teri]

I'll be mailing mine either tomorrow or Tuesday.

Ditto...:)

[adriayna]

Can everyone please make sure they write what the watercolor paper is on the back so if we like it, we can get some ourselves? In pencil or something :).

[altermyworld]

Dana i think that was part of the swap guidelines, i agree lets all remember to do it.
Ang

[TheeCoyote]

Can everyone please make sure they write what the watercolor paper is on the back so if we like it, we can get some ourselves? In pencil or something :).

Yeah, well, how do we know what side is the back?:confused:

[Ibus]

Yeah, well, how do we know what side is the back?:confused:

Which is why I've written mine on little slips of paper and slipped it in with the card.

[adifferentstory]

The front is the more raised site. The back looks a little indented. If you bought your sheets in a pad. The right side is on the top.

[rkolig]

If you write light enough with pencil it won't matter much as it will erase easily. Besides you can paint on both sides. If you plan to have alot of detail, you'd use the smoother side, if not, then you'd use the rougher side.

[TheeCoyote]

I was trying to be humorous in my post above. Still, both my papers have different finishes on each side. The new owner may prefer one side to the other.

I can write very lightly so the marks can be erased or easily covered with the artwork.

[wme133]

do you still have that opening in group 2??
If so, I have some nice 140lb tinted watercolor paper.

[teri]

I was trying to be humorous in my post above.

LOL, I thought you were but when I read everyone's reply I figured I misinterpreted...:cute:

[rkolig]

I'll put you down Wanda. We're full then.

Woo hoo!!

[lynn101]

I'd love to be in the second group so I can send both types of paper if an opening comes up? :) Thanks!

[rkolig]

Lynn101, I'm on that list twice, I could give up one spot to you (I don't mind at all).

We could lose the Yupo. I suspect everyone might want to try the Arches.

[wme133]

Opps ...forgot. Just so you can post on the front page what my paper is...it's Bockingford 140lb. cold press "tinted"

[adifferentstory]

If you write light enough with pencil it won't matter much as it will erase easily. Besides you can paint on both sides. If you plan to have alot of detail, you'd use the smoother side, if not, then you'd use the rougher side.

Thanks for claifying that mary. My art teacher told me there was a right and wrong side. Guess he was not as good as I thought. It was many, many years ago so maybe watercolour paper did have a right and wrong side then.

[rkolig]

Lynn101, I've put you in group 2 with the Saunders Waterford 200 lb cold press.

This gives us all a really nice selection of papers.

[rkolig]

Thanks for claifying that mary. My art teacher told me there was a right and wrong side. Guess he was not as good as I thought. It was many, many years ago so maybe watercolour paper did have a right and wrong side then.

Well, technically he's right. But you can use both sides. It just depends on what you want.

[jean]

I cut up my paper and made the blanks just a smidge bigger - they fit into the sleeves but are a bit tight. I like having an edge to trim off so... I also cut up the leftover pieces after the blanks were cut and tucked them into the sleeves also, just a little bit more for playing with...

They'll be going out today or tomorrow, Mary. I'll pm you to confirm when they hit the PO.

[adifferentstory]

Adding the off cuts are a great idea Jean as you can practice on those first before atempting the ATC. I've not posted mine off yet, so i'll put a few off cuts in mine too.

[TheeCoyote]

Thanks for claifying that mary. My art teacher told me there was a right and wrong side. Guess he was not as good as I thought. It was many, many years ago so maybe watercolour paper did have a right and wrong side then.

Some art papers are sized on only one side--thus there would be a "right" side.
Some are sized internally--thus throughout. And unless the surface is treated differently on each side, you still have two "right" sides to use. It then becomes a matter of preference. I believe the better quality papers have internal sizing. But, I've been wrong before.

Are we sending them naked, or in sleeves?

[rkolig]

I kept my cut offs too. We're all so damn cheap! Oh, sorry, its called being frugal. LOL

[rkolig]

Some art papers are sized on only one side--thus there would be a "right" side.
Some are sized internally--thus throughout. And unless the surface is treated differently on each side, you still have two "right" sides to use. It then becomes a matter of preference. I believe the better quality papers have internal sizing. But, I've been wrong before.

You're probably more right than me!!!! I'm going by what I was told and who knows who told them. :twitcy:

[rkolig]

Stormarela, I got your envie today with the Fabriano. Ooooh, nice looking paper!! And thanks for the extra!!

[Amerasu]

If anyone drops out, please remember me! I can fill in at the last minute. I wish I had seen this sooner. Ah well.

[rkolig]

OK, Sal, will keep you posted. ScramperSue hasn't checked in again or answered my PM. I'll give her another try.

[jean]

I sent mine in sleeves since once I'd cut the blanks, I no longer knew which was the front side, lol, and had to tuck in papers with the brand and copy from the front cover of the canvas pad. I tucked the bits into the sleeves, too, so everyone got a blank and a bit, lol.

[adifferentstory]

I've checked all my watercolour stock and not one even says it is sized let alone which side. I have windsor and newton and would have thought that may be sized on both sides. What would happen if you used the wrong side and it wasn't sized? Does anyone know how you can size it?

[rkolig]

I have no idea Lynne. When in doubt....Google. LOL

[adifferentstory]

I've been googling and can't find anything about it. I'll have a good look tomorrow.

[rkolig]

Here's an interesting link
http://www.trueart.info/watercolor.htm

[adifferentstory]

Thanks Mary, i'll read that tomorrow. My eyes are closing so got to go to bed before my head hits the keyboard LOL

[TheeCoyote]

I've checked all my watercolour stock and not one even says it is sized let alone which side. I have windsor and newton and would have thought that may be sized on both sides. What would happen if you used the wrong side and it wasn't sized? Does anyone know how you can size it?

I don't always pay attention. I might choose the side with tooth if I am using pencil, the smooth side with ink or paint. Don't fret the details. We are artists after all; you know, creative types, rule breakers.

If you really want to know what happens, put paint, pencil, ink on both sides. make your own little paper performance swatches. Don't forget to label them though.

I don't think there is an objective "right" side, only subjective right sides. Use the surface and the brands you prefer. My preference is for hot press (AKA plate finish). I do like some sizing. But, I also really like working with Canson Mi-Tientes pastel paper. It has a "velvetish" (slightly fuzzy?) side and a smoother side. I prefer the fuzzier side with the Mi-Tientes. Meh.

I buy and use according to finish, then weight (at least 90# or heavier), then quality. I buy the best quality I can afford. A swap like this is a wonderful opportunity to try other types without having to lay out the bucks for a whole sheet or tablet.

I found a Windsor-Newton Link (http://www.winsornewton.com/main.aspx?PageID=117) for you.

Oh, and RE DIY sizing, essentially when a person lays down a layer of gesso, or acrylic varnish, they are "sizing" the surface.

[lynn101]

Oooo, thanks so much! :) I am so excited about this trade!

[adifferentstory]

If you really want to know what happens, put paint, pencil, ink on both sides. make your own little paper performance swatches. Don't forget to label them though.

I don't think there is an objective "right" side, only subjective right sides. Use the surface and the brands you prefer. My preference is for hot press (AKA plate finish). I do like some sizing. But, I also really like working with Canson Mi-Tientes pastel paper. It has a "velvetish" (slightly fuzzy?) side and a smoother side. I prefer the fuzzier side with the Mi-Tientes. Meh.

I buy and use according to finish, then weight (at least 90# or heavier), then quality. I buy the best quality I can afford. A swap like this is a wonderful opportunity to try other types without having to lay out the bucks for a whole sheet or tablet.

I found a Windsor-Newton Link (http://www.winsornewton.com/main.aspx?PageID=117) for you.

Oh, and RE DIY sizing, essentially when a person lays down a layer of gesso, or acrylic varnish, they are "sizing" the surface.

What a great idea to do swaptches. I have a few different brands of watercolour paper. I mainly use 300g (140lb). I can't afford the really expensive ones and i'm not artisitic enough to warrent the cost. Thank you for all the advice and link. I will take a good look at that site tomorrow.

[wme133]

I've used both sides of many watercolor papers....and have had no ill effects from it.
If a paper is just toooo cheap....it's going to look crumby no matter which side you use.
As long as it's good paper, you should be fine with either.

[wme133]

Mary...my paper was mailed today.

[rkolig]

Thanks Wanda. I'll swap them out just as soon as I get them all.

Years ago, I took a watercolour class at the local Community College (I need to take another one). I still have some of the expensive paper that we used to create color wheels. I'm saving it to paint on both the other side and all the little unpainted bits. Color wheels seemed like such a waste for such good paper. I also have a leftover piece of 300 lb paper that I had tried painting clouds and sky on. I can't bear to throw it away. I keep thinking there MUST be a way for me to use it.

[TheeCoyote]

Gesso, rk, gesso will save that paper. Then use acrylics on it. Or oils, colored pencil, gouache, pastels, collage...........

[AnitaM]

I am mailing my paper today.

[rkolig]

Yeah, I was thinking gesso too TC. I was considering it a last resort tho, cuz I was hoping to use it for watercolour still. Either way, I'll definitely use it. Too good of stuff not to. LOL

[jean]

I'm with you, Mary...I never throw out watercolour paper. Even if I've screwed up my pic, I can always collage over it and put a label on the back, lolol. Even the cheap stuff is expensive, heck isn't it all expensive?! That's why I figured the bits leftover would be useful somehow - inchies, pieces to decorate and collage, bits to try out on before using the card, etc. Just more to play with!

[TheeCoyote]

Yeah, I was thinking gesso too TC. I was considering it a last resort tho, cuz I was hoping to use it for watercolour still. Either way, I'll definitely use it. Too good of stuff not to. LOL

What does the back look like? Could you just use the back? I have done that before.

[rkolig]

I've done both sides already!!! LOL I'm such a tightwad.

[adifferentstory]

I'm with you, Mary...I never throw out watercolour paper. Even if I've screwed up my pic, I can always collage over it and put a label on the back, lolol. Even the cheap stuff is expensive, heck isn't it all expensive?! That's why I figured the bits leftover would be useful somehow - inchies, pieces to decorate and collage, bits to try out on before using the card, etc. Just more to play with!

I always use watercolour paper for collages but i've found some 280gm A3 watercolour paper for £7.95 (US416) for 25 sheets. So I don't mind using it at that price.

[rkolig]

Jean, got your envie today. And thanks for the extra!!

[rkolig]

Stormarela, I got your 2nd envie today too. Thanks for the extra and papers. Cool stamps you used on the envelope too.

[rkolig]

Frogwings are you still in? You haven't let me know what paper you got.

[frogwings]

Hi...I haven't had a chance to shop yet...do I still have time?? I'd still like to be part of this...

[Ibus]

My cards will go in the post tomorrow

[rkolig]

Frogwings, take a look at what is already signed up for your group. Just so you pick something different so that we have a variety.

[TheeCoyote]

Would anybody be interested in a blank of a real nice black?

[AnitaM]

Oooh that sounds interesting Theecoyote never seen black before

[adifferentstory]

I've not seen black watercolour paper before. Anita, I don't think it's available in the UK.

[Ibus]

Would anybody be interested in a blank of a real nice black?
Be interesting. I've never heard of black either.

[adifferentstory]

It seems like all of us from the UK are missing out on something.

[altermyworld]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO i want to try the black, so do you use light colours on it. Was that a dumb question? Its early.
Ang

[adriayna]

It seems you would need gouache for black. I'm totally interetsed!

[TheeCoyote]

Ok, it seems I created a misunderstanding. It is not black watercolor paper. It is black pastel paper. But, I use it with acrylics all the time. It does require an opaque medium like pastels, acrylic, gouache, tempera, gel pen, etc.

I can send a blank for each person interested. I will put them in a sleeve with your screen name on it to make it easier for our host. IF that is acceptable with rk.

Post your desire in this thread or send me a PM. I will hold off sending my stuff out until next Friday to allow for this.

Is this acceptable rk?

[Ibus]

I'm interested if it's ok with Mary.

[TheeCoyote]

Before I take any names I will wait for Mary's decision.

This is an example of how I have used the black with acrylics. It is much larger than an ATC, but you get a good idea of how it looks.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coyotl/956776984/sizes/m/

The paper is labeled as suitable for wet media.
In the example (link above) the wet part would be in the sky.

[AnitaM]

I would be interested if its ok with Mary. That painting is awesome.

[adifferentstory]

Wow what an effect that gives TheCoyote.

[jean]

That was stunning, TheeCoyote! I'm interested, too, if Mary says ok.

[wme133]

Beautiful painting Coyote!

[altermyworld]

I would love to try.
Ang

[rkolig]

TC, sounds cool! Go for it! Sorry, I've been away all day.

Awesome painting!!!

[TheeCoyote]

No problemo Mary. I will try to make it as easy for you as I can.
I will be collecting names for the "Black List" up until I send my stuff off next Friday.


This is where it stands thus far: AnitaM, Ibus, altermyworld, adriayna, jean

[Sue W]

Black sounds good to me!! :yes:

[rkolig]

Well, don't forget me! LOL

[adifferentstory]

or me LOL

[inkleaves]

Wow that painting is gorgeous, TheeCoyote.

[adriayna]

I'm still totally in! :)

[TheeCoyote]

Update
This is where it stands thus far: AnitaM, Ibus, altermyworld, adriayna, jean, SueW, adifferentstory, rkolig.

[Sue W]

I'll be sending my watercolour papers at lunchtime tomorrow. :yes:

[adifferentstory]

Mine will be going off tomorrow.

[inkleaves]

I've sent off the papers today.

[Ibus]

Mine were posted on Saturday.

[teri]

Mine will be in the mail tomorrow.

[rkolig]

Excellent. I delivered mine to myself too. hehehehehe

[adifferentstory]

Glad you wasn't late Mary. I'd hate to have to tell you off for holding the swap up LOL

[AnitaM]

Excellent. I delivered mine to myself too. hehehehehe


It must be the excitement of becoming a grandma

[rkolig]

Or dorkiness. Does becoming a grandma turn you into an instant dork, coo cooing at every little gas squint and thinking toots are cute?

[teri]

Or dorkiness. Does becoming a grandma turn you into an instant dork, coo cooing at every little gas squint and thinking toots are cute?

Sadly...yes...:embarrassed:

[TheeCoyote]

I have to correct an error. The Aquabee Hemp is 120# not 90#. Oops.

[TheeCoyote]

Would anybody be interested in a blank of a real nice black?

Bump. http://www.powwows.com/gathering/images/smilies/leb.gif

[inkleaves]

I'm interested in the blank of the black but not sure whether it will bump up Mary's postage costs. I'm in Singapore, so it's international postage and there are some (fab) heavier-weight papers in my group.

Would it be okay to include one for me but if the black paper happens to be the one that "tips" the postage costs of my paper package to the next scale then Mary could keep it instead? Um or am I complicating things? :O

[rkolig]

One more piece isn't going to up it another notch. The postage I quoted already took us past the cheapest mailing.

[rkolig]

I have to correct an error. The Aquabee Hemp is 120# not 90#. Oops.

Better yet!

[TheeCoyote]

Inkleaves added to the BLack List.

[lynn101]

Whooo hooo! Mine are going postal in the morning!

[lynn101]

Whoops, just as soon as I get an address to send em to....*lol*....geez, one hyper moment completely ruins me.

[adifferentstory]

Mine went postal yesterday.

[rkolig]

Thanks Lynn(s) LOL

[ScramperSue]

TheeCoyote, I'd love to try the black, thanks :)

[ScramperSue]

mine are postal!

[TheeCoyote]

Update: Black List
AnitaM, Ibus, altermyworld, adriayna, jean, SueW, adifferentstory, rkolig, inkleaves, ScramperSue = 10.


I don't know what methods any of you use to transfer your sketch to your paper, but black, and all opaque substrates, require different techniques. Erasing on the black will leave ugly marks on the surface. If anyone needs me to share my methods for transferring sketches to the black, let me know.

[jean]

Yes, please, TheeCoyote! (techniques)

[TheeCoyote]

OK, it would get lost in this thread. Perhaps it would be better if I started another thread for this? Sort of like a mini-tutorial kind of thing?

I'm thinking the Art Discussions forum would be the best place.

[rkolig]

I would be the best place. Thanks TheeCoyote, I'm sure everyone would love the info.

Ibus I got your package today. Woot! I felt like I won the lottery, just loaded full of goodies. Thanks!

[Ibus]

Wow! That was quick. Glad it's arrived safely. :D

[TheeCoyote]

My submissions were mailed out today.

[rkolig]

Thanks TC.

Wanda and Anita, I got yours today. Thanks for the extras. I'm holding off playing with the extras till I swap out (it just wouldn't be fair now would it), but oooooh, its sooooo tempting!!!!

[rkolig]

Looks like we have a spot in Group 2. Sal gets first dibs. I've PM'd her.

[AnitaM]

glad they arrived safely

[TheeCoyote]

Is my math correct here? We are each going to get back 11 different types per group not 12. Because there are 12 per group, but I am one of those twelve in my groups--so, you'd be sending me back one of my own to make it twelve.:wacko:

If I am right, I don't need one of my own back. Keep the extras.

[AnitaM]

Hmmm TheeCoyote you maybe right in which case I don't need mine back either unless you want to send it to someone in the other group or keep it yourself

[jean]

LOL I have no idea what I sent now - 12 or 13. Mary, keep the extra or pass it on, lol.

[teri]

Ditto, I don't need mine back. :)

[rkolig]

OMG LOL, I can't believe I didn't think of that one!!!

Well, maybe I'll have a little something extra for all of you!!!

[rkolig]

ADS, I got your package today! Thanks for the extra postage etc. I

[adifferentstory]

Glad it arrived safe. I was just starting to panic LOL

[Amerasu]

I picked up some Strathmore Imperial 140 lb rough.

I also have Strathmore Aquarius 80 lb cold press. This is feeling like pretty cool paper since I don't like a lot of tooth.

I can send either version. You guys tell me.

[rkolig]

Strathmore Aquarius 80 lb cold press = cotton and synthetic fibers
Strathmore Imperial 140 lb rough = 100% cotton fiber

Hmmmm, I like combining watercolor with pen, so the Aquarius 80 pound might be nice.

I just looked...group 2 does have 2 roughs in it already. I don't care either way. I have a new watercolour technique book and I'm dying to try diff things.

Anyone got any strong preferences?

[adifferentstory]

I think the lighter weight one would be nicer to try but i'm not even sure if Sal is in my group LOL Errrrr!!! If not, just ignore me and pretend i'm not here LOL

[rkolig]

Teri, I got your package today. Thanks so much for the Sheer Heaven!!

[altermyworld]

hi i just noticed my WC paper is wrong, i have windsor newton 140 cold or i have arches hot can i send either since neither is in the group (this is for group 1)
ANg

[TheeCoyote]

Ang, mine for Group 1 is Arches 140# hot.

[ScramperSue]

Update: Black List
AnitaM, Ibus, altermyworld, adriayna, jean, SueW, adifferentstory, rkolig, inkleaves, ScramperSue = 10.


I don't know what methods any of you use to transfer your sketch to your paper, but black, and all opaque substrates, require different techniques. Erasing on the black will leave ugly marks on the surface. If anyone needs me to share my methods for transferring sketches to the black, let me know.
yes please, thanks that is very nice of you :)

[altermyworld]

Right you are Thee Coyote, well then i will be sending the windsor/newton 140 cold press.
ANg

[rkolig]

Must have been a typo on my part. We already had a Canson in Group 1, so WN 140 is perfect.

[Amerasu]

I'll just go with the 90 lb then Mary. It's quite nice. I'm sending it out to you in the morning.

[rkolig]

Sounds great Sal. Thanks.

[stormarela]

I am getting ready for all the new papers! Just reading all the posts is making my mouth water!

[TheeCoyote]

So, rk, is this a nightmare to keep organized?

[rkolig]

Not yet TC. So far, I'm just throwing it all in my swap box. LOL

I'm sure it will give me fits when I've got to divide them out tho! I was thinking just yesterday about how I'm going to need to organize it.

[adifferentstory]

Well if all else fails, throw them all up in the air and pick up 11 for each person LOL

[rkolig]

Well, if I get too frustrated I may do that ADS. LOL

ScramperSue your package came today. Thank you for the fabric!! It'll work great for some fabric postcards.

[TheeCoyote]

You lay out each return envelope. Then deal out one card of each type to each person while trying to remember not to give the sender one of his/hers back. Piece of cake.http://www.migunowners.org/forum/images/smilies/puppy_dog_eyes.gifhttp://bestsmileys.com/silly/13.gif

[adifferentstory]

Pur out the tea with the cake TC LOL

[rkolig]

First I'll need to separate the papers into groups 1 and 2, then line up the names and papers with each group, then do what TC said, THEN then add the black to the black list.

LOL

[TheeCoyote]

And if something should go awry no one will notice anyway.

[altermyworld]

oh gawdddddd, wish i lived closer i would come over and help you.
ANg

[rkolig]

Oh, it won't be so bad once I get going. LOL

Inkleaves and Lynn101, I got yours today. Thank you both for the extras!!

[Sue W]

I agree with TheeCoyote’s previous post, I had anticipated you would not send back 12 to me but 11. The couple of extra are for you in lieu of postage, as posting to Australia is pretty expensive!! :)

[rkolig]

The site has a rule, no uneven swaps, and being staff and all, I can't really throw my weight around can I? LOL

Besides, this was never intended to be uneven, I just ran with the idea and didn't even think about it. I'll throw a Yupo in for everyone, I had them all cut up anyway.

Everyone is being way generous with the extra bits, so I'm not the least bit worried.

[lynn101]

Great! I'm so glad they made it okay. I always worry till my cards make it to their destination safe and sound lol :)

[inkleaves]

Good to know they got there :) Thanks!

[rkolig]

Ang, I got your package today. And thank you for the gift!!!

[TheeCoyote]

Aw, heck. I'm getting anxious now.http://www.htmlforums.com/images/smilies/sadbanana.gif

[Merricat]

Eek! I forgot the due date was the 15th! I'm going to mail mine out tomorrow!!!

[rkolig]

Thanks Merr!

[TheeCoyote]

I'm getting anxious because mine hasn't shown up yet. It's been nearly two weeks.

[rkolig]

TC, US to Canada is the worst!!!! I can get stuff from across the pond 3 times faster.

[Amerasu]

Mine are now officially on the way. I just walked to the mailbox and popped them in :)

[Sue W]

I'm also getting a little anxious that my parcel hasn't arrived yet ...

[Patti]

Just found this thread. It says sign up and withdrawal date is tomorrow, but it looks like you have two full groups already.

Do you have a wait list, or somehow room for one more? I have :

Swathmore 140 lb. cold press
and Fredrix canvas -medium texture

[rkolig]

Sorry Patti, all full up and everybody has checked in and said "the cheque is in the mail". There was certainly alot of interest tho. Don't be surprised if another one is offered at some point.

[AnitaM]

I've still got plenty of paper if you do decide to do another swap

[rkolig]

Anyone is welcome to host one when this one is done. I certainly don't feel like I own the idea.

[jean]

I'll be glad to host, Mary, if you're not. Just let me know when to get it rolling...

[Patti]

Thanks, I figured that. If another starts anytime soon or late, please let me know and I'll be first to sign up.

[rkolig]

I'm not going to host another paper swap anytime soon. What I think I'd like to do is host a swap for playing with the paper we've gotten from this one. I'm thinking of diff ways to frame it. Input from you guys would certainly be considered.

One option would be to have everyone use 3 diff papers and paint the same subject (or close to) on each one.

[Merricat]

That would be a cool idea Mary!

[adriayna]

Mine will go out today or monday. I'm feeling a bit sick again today, so I'm not sure if I'm going out this morning.

[rkolig]

TheeCoyote, I got yours today. Yup, a full 17 days mail time.

[TheeCoyote]

Since I started the mail art craze, I have only had two mailings go missing. Both of those since last November and both were-----to Canada! I was getting discouraged.
Glad that's not the case this time.

[rkolig]

Sal (Amerasu) your package came yesterday. Thanks for the extras!!

[rkolig]

Merricat, your blanks came today. Thanks for the extras!!!

[Merricat]

Woo-Hoo!!!! Great Mary!

[Sue W]

Now I'm really concerned that my package hasn't arrived ...

[rkolig]

It'll likely come this week. Sue I'll post as soon as it comes.

[rkolig]

Dana, yours came today. Thank you for the extras and the bookmark.