will trade for Turpentine pages

[ScramperSue]

mini red ric rac,
tiny ecru lace trim,
and tiny strung pearl beads(peach, off white mulberry)

1 yard your choice for 1 page

or pages from:
a 1953 philosophy book,
a 50's encyclopedia,
black and white photos from the early 60's book "Family of Man" *** only one page of this, as it is photos and a much bigger page
& 2 1970's spanish student workbooks
1968 Columbia Encyclopedia
2 different issues of "horizons" (ARTBOOKS) both issues from 1959

2pages(of the above, with the exception) for 1 page Turp. paper

[ScramperSue]

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[OriginalYouth]

What are turpentine pages?

[NiteOwl]

I found this technique last winter but haven't been able to try it yet(and also would love to have a sample of it), but anyway this is what it is:

This technique must be done outdoors in a well ventilated area as the fumes from the turpentine are quite strong. You will also need to use rubber gloves throughout this procedure. Be sure to follow all safety and warning information on turpentine.

Supplies Needed

National Geographic Magazine is what was recomended but I don't know why any magazine wouldn't work - intact, do not tear apart.
Turpentine - have to use the real stuff and not the turpentine substitutes
Plastic Tub - large enough for the magazine to lay flat
Rubber Gloves

Place the magazine in the plastic tub and starting in the back of the magazine and work forward. Pour a small amount of turpentine on the last page, tipping tub back and forth to cover entire page. Lay the next page on to top of the turpentine page and drizzle a small amount of turpentine on the page, tipping tub back and forth to cover page. Continue these steps until all the pages have been covered with turpentine. Part way through the magazine there should be enough turpentine in the tub so you will not have to pour any more on the pages, instead just tip the tub to let the turpentine run over the page. Once you have covered all the pages in turpentine, press the magazine closed, pushing on the cover so that all the pages are in good contact with each other.

Stand the magazine up on end and allow to drain and start drying. Let the magazine set this way for 4 to 5 hours. With your rubber gloves on, start to pull apart the pages and removing them from the magazine. Allow paper to dry and air out.

They say the results of this technique are never predictable and that is the fun of making turpentine paper.

[Joni Owens]

Sue,
I have a drawer full of turpentine paper. How much do you want?

[katilady]

Joni,
What happens to the paper once it's turpentined? What makes this paper special? Anything fun that can be done with it? If so I may want to trade ya for some if you are willing!

[Joni Owens]

Ok Katilady, I'll be happy to send you some samples. The turpentine makes the ink on the pages run, splotch, etc. sometime you can still have part of a photo or writing left, depending on where the turpentine lands. I use a spray bottle because that's easier for me. I have used it so far as background paper - not yet on atc's but on some larger pieces and mixed it with textured paper and prints. It has an interesting look and no two pages come out looking even remotely the same.

[AnitaM]

I take it you don't have to use a whole magazine? You can just do a couple of pages at a time? Putting the turps in a spray bottle is a good idea.

[katilady]

Ok Katilady, I'll be happy to send you some samples. The turpentine makes the ink on the pages run, splotch, etc. sometime you can still have part of a photo or writing left, depending on where the turpentine lands. I use a spray bottle because that's easier for me. I have used it so far as background paper - not yet on atc's but on some larger pieces and mixed it with textured paper and prints. It has an interesting look and no two pages come out looking even remotely the same.

Thanks Joni! What would you like in return? :jiggy:

[OriginalYouth]

I'd love to see some if anyone has some scanned!

[TheeCoyote]

Don't they continue to out gas toxic fumes, and can they be used with water based media?

[ScramperSue]

I do not know

[kynara]

I take it you don't have to use a whole magazine? You can just do a couple of pages at a time? Putting the turps in a spray bottle is a good idea.

I don't know how good it would turn out with a spray bottle. the pages need to 'sit' in the turpentine for a while. That's why it's easier to do a whole magazine at once. You could possibly use a spray bottle if you wanted to 'alter' just part of the page, possibly. Outside of course! That turpentine's strong!!

I don't like making it myself (the mess hehe) but my mom loves making it and I get my pages from her. Thank goodness warm weather's coming back, so she can make some more, our supply's getting low ;)

Don't they continue to out gas toxic fumes, and can they be used with water based media?

The fumes DO fade somewhat. When I use it I try to coat it with gel medium to kinda seal the fumes in. As for water based mediums... The paper and ink on it, is still the same as the magazine it was before. Water is not going to change it. That's why the turpentine is used to smear the toner-based inks. Since it's a glossy paper, inks would take longer to dry. (I typically use my staz-on cause I'm not patient ;) but my mother uses her dye based inks) But painting on it or other water based mediums would work just like they would on other glossy paper.

hope all that helps! ;) hehe

[kynara]

I'd love to see some if anyone has some scanned!

I uploaded some to my gallery. The colors are more vivid IRL, of course, but you can get the idea of what it looks like. ;)

turpentine page 1 (http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=15687&w=o)
turpentine page 2 (http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=15688&w=o)
turpentine page 3 (http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=15690&w=o)

[ScramperSue]

great pages and info!

[OriginalYouth]

Thanks for sharing those, that is neat!

[jetleg]

The pages are amazing...

[katilady]

Woohoo! Those are cool!

[Joni Owens]

Ok ya'll, I guess I should have explained the spray bottle. It is easier for me to control the turpentine. I have arthritis and fibromyalgia, my shoulders, arms, and hands stay sore a lot and just pouring the turpentine from the bottle is difficult, on those bad FM days. I saturate the pages and let them sit for several days, up to a week, depending on what I have going on and when I can get back to them. When I start pulling the book apart and separating the pages I also hang them by clothespins on a "paper line" I have put up on the back porch to let them continue to dry and de-smell. I have begun to have a tendency to drop things on days when my hands are sore and stiff. I found that pouring from the original container is hard. You could probably pour the turp. over into a smaller container and slosh it on with an old paint brush.

[AnitaM]

Those papers are cool.

[kynara]

Ok ya'll, I guess I should have explained the spray bottle. It is easier for me to control the turpentine. I have arthritis and fibromyalgia, my shoulders, arms, and hands stay sore a lot and just pouring the turpentine from the bottle is difficult, on those bad FM days. I saturate the pages and let them sit for several days, up to a week, depending on what I have going on and when I can get back to them. When I start pulling the book apart and separating the pages I also hang them by clothespins on a "paper line" I have put up on the back porch to let them continue to dry and de-smell. I have begun to have a tendency to drop things on days when my hands are sore and stiff. I found that pouring from the original container is hard. You could probably pour the turp. over into a smaller container and slosh it on with an old paint brush.

ahh i see, yea that makes alot of sense. I totally understand. ;)

[Ibus]

Wow, Kynara, those pages are awesome!

[NiteOwl]

I uploaded some to my gallery. The colors are more vivid IRL, of course, but you can get the idea of what it looks like. ;)

turpentine page 1 (http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=15687&w=o)
turpentine page 2 (http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=15688&w=o)
turpentine page 3 (http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=15690&w=o)


Wow! Those papers are beautiful! Now I really want to do it! Thanks for posting them! :yes:

[kynara]

I'm glad everyone's liked the pages ;) Glad I could help!

[ScramperSue]

I rec'd some great pages from Joni, but would LOVE some with some brighter colors if anyone would be willing to trade some

[NiteOwl]

Well, I finally got to try it, but mine didn't turn out so good. And most of the pages dried and look the same as when I started only they stink! I still have some pages outside that weren't dry before I went to work and it rained a little tonight so I'll see how they look tomorrow.

[Joni Owens]

Nite Owl,
What type of mag. did you use?

[NiteOwl]

I used an O magazine. I just checked the last pages and I got one good page. :mask: I looked and looked for a National Geographic but can't find one. Don't they make them anymore? Barnes and Nobles doesn't even have them!

[ScramperSue]

check your local library from time to time...they throw the old ones out I just napped a dozen from the 70s...there were more...but i left some for others :)

[NiteOwl]

Good idea! Thanks!

[cairnlae]

I looked and looked for a National Geographic but can't find one. Don't they make them anymore? Barnes and Nobles doesn't even have them!

Thriftstores baybee....thriftstores...I get them from 25 cents to 50 cents apiece!!!

[katilady]

I get mine from both the library and the thriftstore!

[barefootchef]

Wow, those pages are beautiful! We have a subscription to National Geographic so I have them on hand. Maybe I should try this or maybe someone who does this would like to trade some pages already done for a magazine?

[Cheeka]

this is interesting - now I want to try it - just need turpentine and a nasty geographic (that's what we always called them when I was a kid). otherwise I am ready to go (giggle).

[NiteOwl]

Thriftstores baybee....thriftstores...I get them from 25 cents to 50 cents apiece!!!

None of the goodwills here have them and we only have one thriftstore and they don't either. :cry: Oh well. Thanks for all the idea's.

[ScramperSue]

added more to the list of "tradeables"

[kynara]

I used an O magazine. I just checked the last pages and I got one good page. :mask: I looked and looked for a National Geographic but can't find one. Don't they make them anymore? Barnes and Nobles doesn't even have them!

You'd want to use older ones. After sometime in the 80s (i think that's when) they changed the inks and the newer ones don't work as well. So buying newer ones wouldn't be a good idea (plus they're way more expensive!)

[kynara]

by the way... if anyone needs a good 'how to' on making them here's the one my mother (awmaw) got the directions from...

http://www.tuscanrose.com/making_turpentine_paper.htm

Wanted to put it in the forum under the 'how to' section, but am not literate enough (hehe) to be able to put it in my own words. ;) But the 'powers that be' said I could post the link. :cool:

[ScramperSue]

thanks for the link..... she says that "I find the 1970s to current issues work the best" I have some newer ones, but I grabbed a bunch from the 70s in the library's throw away bin :)

I am going to try and do this, some day when it isn't humid, but sunny and has a breeze :) ( getting that combo in south jersey isn't easy, LOL)

[kynara]

thanks for the link..... she says that "I find the 1970s to current issues work the best" I have some newer ones, but I grabbed a bunch from the 70s in the library's throw away bin :)

I am going to try and do this, some day when it isn't humid, but sunny and has a breeze :) ( getting that combo in south jersey isn't easy, LOL)

70s to current... whoops... guess I had it backwards... hmmm i coulda sworn it was the other way around LOL

you don't want too much of a breeze! hehe mom had trouble one time. She lays them down on a big plastic sheet to dry, one day she had to weigh down the corners with rocks cause they kept trying to blow away haha

[ScramperSue]

oh great i can just see myself chasing magazine pages around my yard! ( did I mention we have 5 acres, LOL)

well, what i think i'm gonna do is only 4-6 mags at a time.
let them drip as much as possible, then stand them up open in low aluminum pans, once they are "handable" ( like my english?) use a razer knife-cut the pages and then clothespin them to my clothes line to finish drying...what do you think?

[kynara]

it might be better to soak one or two at a time, so that the others don't start drying too much while you're working on the first ones... and separate the pages while they're wet enough they don't start sticking together. remember, though, the longer they sit, the more the colors will run together, the darker they are. but you want them to run enough to blur the pages. Text doesn't blur too well, but it does come up with an interesting look that's cool for txt backgrounds. and advertisement pages don't blur much at all. I'd suggest doing one first... just to get the hang of it. If you did several, and forgot a step or let them sit too long... well, you get the idea ;)

The clothes line sounds like a great idea! Let me know how that works for you, I might be able to try it myself at my house (instead of letting my mom supply me hehe) if I could hang them up.

and for the love of all that's holy... wear rubber gloves!!! (hehehe sorry, i just had to throw that in :cool: hehehe)

[NiteOwl]

I looked and looked for this thread and couldn't find it so I started one in the Art Discussion forum here: http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4673
Please feel free to add your pictures and ideas to that thread.