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katilady
06-22-2008, 08:20 PM
Swap due date: Sept. 19 2008
Sign up/Withdraw date: Aug. 31 2008
Number of Cards: 3/3
Number of Participants: 12; 6 international

Anne Sexton, with her confessional poetry, was often dark and raw. She wrote on such topics as sex and death and dying. This is a swap to honor her. Any medium is welcome as long as the cards are your best work and something you would like to receive; please no stickers. Be inspired by her poetry, by photos of her, by her life story. Anything goes as long as it relates to Anne Sexton. If nudity and dark images aren't your thing please do not sign up. I will not be censoring participants. If you are unfamiliar with Sexton, but still interested in this swap, check out this site (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poet.html?id=6163).


http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=20380&w=l

US players please enclose a SASE; international players I will cover your postage but please enclose an address label. I do not mind bulky embellishments if you provide extra postage. Hostess cards are nice but certainly not necessary.

This will be an on time swap, so please be mindful when you mail out, especially if you are overseas.

Please, of course, follow the usual rules:
*2 1/2 x 3 1/2 cards
*If collaging glue well. I just got a card from a superb artist but I had to re-glue all elements when it arrived! I will send cards back that are like that.
*Be as neat as possible. Of course some paint or glue gets on the back, no probs, but if the card is a complete mess I am returning it to ya at your expense.
*Stay on theme. I am pretty open about where your inspiration comes from, but if you send a flower card with a fairy and I can't find any relevance to Sexton or her work I will send it back.

So which of you brave souls would care to join me?

1. Amyfaerie (you said I could!)
2. Nuttynanner (you said I could too!)
3. KatieV
4. Rockstarsgirl
5. BrightSpark*
6. mynameisJenn
7. alterdmommy*
8. artandsoul
9. Cairnlae
10. CoffeeLatte
11. redplantlady*
12. swtnes831
ME!

*international received withdrawn

nanner
06-22-2008, 10:14 PM
Okay, I saw this sample card in the gallery before I knew it was for the Sexton swap...I found it:

Disturbingly fantastic.

KatieV
06-22-2008, 10:37 PM
Me please!

katilady
06-22-2008, 10:54 PM
Thanks for joining Katie! And thank you Nan!

rockstarsgirl
06-22-2008, 11:45 PM
me too, me too. I love her poetry.

katilady
06-22-2008, 11:50 PM
Welcome Nicole!

Bright-Spark
06-23-2008, 02:24 AM
This looks like a really good challenge. Thanks katilady!

Can you please add me to your international list?

Thanks

amyfaerie
06-23-2008, 07:40 AM
awesome, Kati! this is really a wonderful idea--and your inspiration card just rocks!

katilady
06-23-2008, 09:59 AM
Welcome BrightSpark! And thanks so much Amy!

mynameisJenn
06-23-2008, 04:52 PM
Most def, sign me up Kati! :)

katilady
06-23-2008, 05:39 PM
Most def, sign me up Kati! :)

Yay! Will do!

katilady
06-23-2008, 06:02 PM
I'd like to join too Kati! this will give me a chance to become more familiar with anne sextons work, and well dark and raw-can't pass that up.

Yippee! I am thrilled with the artists joining!

artandsoul
06-23-2008, 06:30 PM
This one is for me. What a great idea for a swap, and I love your own card in this theme. Please add this (dark, raw, and) brave soul to the list.

katilady
06-23-2008, 08:17 PM
This one is for me. What a great idea for a swap, and I love your own card in this theme. Please add this (dark, raw, and) brave soul to the list.

I will happily add you, thanks for joining!

cairnlae
06-23-2008, 11:34 PM
crap..I was trying to wait until I had a few more obligations under my belt...but this is filling up quick! better put me in coach!!!!

katilady
06-23-2008, 11:38 PM
crap..I was trying to wait until I had a few more obligations under my belt...but this is filling up quick! better put me in coach!!!!

You made it! And you have till Sept! :D :yes:

cairnlae
06-23-2008, 11:41 PM
I'm reading her poetry right now on that link you provided...WOW!Lots of great imagery to work with! I especially love Menstration at 40 and Celebration of my Uterus!

cairnlae
06-23-2008, 11:51 PM
Buying the Whore
You are the roast beef I have purchased
and I stuff you with my very own onion.

You are a boat I have rented by the hour
and I steer you with my rage until you run aground.

You are a glass that I have paid to shatter
and I swallow the pieces down with my spit.

You are the grate I warm my trembling hands on,
searing the flesh until it's nice and juicy.

You stink like my Mama under your bra
and I vomit into your hand like a jackpot
its cold hard quarters.

I think this is my fav so far!!!!

katilady
06-23-2008, 11:56 PM
LOL! Great stuff isn't it? In Celebration of My Uterus is the inspiration for the card posted. It's my personal fave!

amyfaerie
06-24-2008, 04:36 PM
oh sweet goodness! i'm glad to see this filling up with awesome artists! i do love sexton's work . . . and that one is a great one, karen. i am almost afraid to start on my cards, because i have so many ideas!

katilady
06-24-2008, 08:22 PM
I agree Amy, this swap has some kick ass artists in it! I have only done the one card, so I am waiting for inspiration to strike again for the other two. I am am so looking forward to seeing what Sexton inspires us all to create!

coffeelatte
06-24-2008, 08:34 PM
Me...please...me....

nanner
06-24-2008, 09:34 PM
Kati...girl...is it just me (please chime in everyone)...OR

...when you do the research for this swap...do you get a little MESMERIZED by all that was Anne Sexton?

I did much research yesterday. And found myself in a bit of a FUNK afterward. Still, started my cards...and I think that might be the HEART of this whole project.

Kati...great theme. It is MOVING.

nanner
06-24-2008, 09:35 PM
Oh, and YES...coffeelatte...PLEASE join us...this swap will probably change your life.

There, I said it.

katilady
06-24-2008, 09:44 PM
Me...please...me....

Yippee!

katilady
06-24-2008, 09:46 PM
Kati...girl...is it just me (please chime in everyone)...OR

...when you do the research for this swap...do you get a little MESMERIZED by all that was Anne Sexton?

I did much research yesterday. And found myself in a bit of a FUNK afterward. Still, started my cards...and I think that might be the HEART of this whole project.

Kati...great theme. It is MOVING.

I hear ya Nanner, reading Sexton's work or just about her life and mental illness can bring up emotions. And yes, that's why I chose this theme. I've noticed that a lot of themes lately are really light and fun and that's cool, I can dig that. BUT, what really gets me going as an artist is creating from an emotional space. I guess I am a weirdo!

nanner
06-24-2008, 10:22 PM
Well I am clearly creating from an emotional space...so I'll join you on the Boat S.S. Weirdo.

nanner
06-24-2008, 10:44 PM
I can see it now...a decoupage to celebrate this swap...like Noah's Ark...but not so...holy...all artists just treading water on the S.S. Weirdo!

katilady
06-24-2008, 10:56 PM
OMG! You guys are hilarious! So does this make me Captain Weirdo?

nanner
06-25-2008, 12:34 AM
Yes, I believe it does.

And THIS (my friends) is how nicknames come about.

May I present our hostess..Capt. Weirdo.

Now all hands on deck!

rockstarsgirl
06-25-2008, 03:43 AM
Hehehe. I'll join you on the decks. Heck, this is one captain I can listen to.

katilady
06-25-2008, 09:55 AM
ROTFLMAO! Thanks ya'll for starting my day with a laugh!

coffeelatte
06-25-2008, 12:23 PM
Well, my life definitely needs some changing up right now, because I am having a very bleak and stressed out time. I do know I will get some of the grit worked out with this theme, and also know it is going to be a challenge for me to have the courage to post what I create.

Erica Jong said this about Anne Sexton: "she dared to be a fool and dared to explore the dark side of the unconscious." So that's what I am going to attempt to do with ths one...

For anyone who hasn't, be sure to check out her fairy tale pieces in Transformations. That's what first drew me in...way back when...I think a lot of my feminist sensibilities were turned fully on by reading these pieces when I was younger.

Kati - I think this will be some practice for Juliana Coles workshops in October...thank you for a deep & thought provoking theme. Beautiful work on the card at the header, too.

amyfaerie
06-25-2008, 02:20 PM
i agree, the poems in transformations are incredible works--there is something about the voice she gives to those classic 'heroines' that really makes them sing. i would have NEVER thought of them as being a venue for exploring bitterness, feminism, gender roles, etc., in the way sexton did it.

i have a book of photos of her, taken right before she died. of course, it's packed somewhere. LOL!

My favorite shot of her . . . so glamorous and amazing. most every picture of her has her holding a cigarette--when i smoked, i held cigarettes in the same way, trying to emulate her. She was everything i wanted to be as a young college student who fancied herself a poet.

http://static.flickr.com/102/260781664_0df131334f.jpg

So, hopefully there's room for a deck hand on the SS Weirdo.

cairnlae
06-25-2008, 03:47 PM
man...she had great legs and a great bod!!!! And that outfit...ohhhh to be in that right now at a summer garden party..LOL!!!smokin and holdin a martini!!!mmm..

mrubyjean
06-25-2008, 09:01 PM
For anyone who hasn't, be sure to check out her fairy tale pieces in Transformations. That's what first drew me in...way back when...I think a lot of my feminist sensibilities were turned fully on by reading these pieces when I was younger.

Yes, I read "Transformations" over and over again when I was a young feminist. Such articulate outrage ~ really touched a chord in me! Haven't read her poetry for years now.

mrubyjean
06-25-2008, 09:04 PM
man...she had great legs and a great bod!!!! And that outfit...ohhhh to be in that right now at a summer garden party..LOL!!!smokin and holdin a martini!!!mmm..

Yeah, but remember what was going on inside her!!

[I would like to be able to twist my legs around like that ~ it's a yoga move now!]

I'm obviously debating about whether I can take on this swap ~ and I know you only have two more spots ~ hmmm...

amyfaerie
06-25-2008, 09:33 PM
oooh! i will definitely look up Ali's work . . . what an interesting unknown half sister to find! :D

katilady
06-25-2008, 09:59 PM
Well, my life definitely needs some changing up right now, because I am having a very bleak and stressed out time. I do know I will get some of the grit worked out with this theme, and also know it is going to be a challenge for me to have the courage to post what I create.

Erica Jong said this about Anne Sexton: "she dared to be a fool and dared to explore the dark side of the unconscious." So that's what I am going to attempt to do with ths one...

For anyone who hasn't, be sure to check out her fairy tale pieces in Transformations. That's what first drew me in...way back when...I think a lot of my feminist sensibilities were turned fully on by reading these pieces when I was younger.

Kati - I think this will be some practice for Juliana Coles workshops in October...thank you for a deep & thought provoking theme. Beautiful work on the card at the header, too.
I totally understand Cindy. Life has been a challenge for me lately, I am trying to view it as an opportunity to work with my shadow a little bit. I am really looking forward to seeing what you and everyone else creates. I, too, will be putting my bravest foot forward as I push myself to be real with this theme. The good part is that it is my 1st time hosting a swap so you only need 3 cards!

I have loved Sexton's work for years, but never bought a book of hers until I decided to host this swap! So I bought her complete works on Amazon and once it arrives I will post some stuff I find interesting, especially as there is some never before published stuff in there.

Thank you Amy for posting the pic, she looks so full of spirit and grit!

redplantlady
06-26-2008, 12:44 PM
Can I sign up please? I wrote, and had a lot of poetry published, in the 1980s, then somehow lost that creative spark until I found this site. Recently I've been combining poetry/collage/images so would love to continue with this through such an inspiring swap....

nanner
06-26-2008, 12:50 PM
Sounds like a good fit redplantlady...good to have you!

katilady
06-26-2008, 01:47 PM
Can I sign up please? I wrote, and had a lot of poetry published, in the 1980s, then somehow lost that creative spark until I found this site. Recently I've been combining poetry/collage/images so would love to continue with this through such an inspiring swap....

Sounds awesome, thanks for joining!

swtnes831
06-26-2008, 02:38 PM
can i join??? please!!!

katilady
06-26-2008, 02:39 PM
can i join??? please!!!

Certainly, welcome! And we are now full!

nanner
06-26-2008, 02:42 PM
Aye, aye, Captain!

katilady
06-26-2008, 02:44 PM
Gotta make sure the boat doesn't capsize with too many people, since this is my 1st time captaining such a boat! :D

rockstarsgirl
06-26-2008, 02:47 PM
*giggle* I'm sure you'll do fine, captain. I'll try not to rock the boat too much.

swtnes831
06-26-2008, 02:49 PM
YAY!!! I got the last spot!! Thank you captain.

nanner
06-26-2008, 02:50 PM
Anne Sexton definitely made some WAVES for us...it's going to be a crazy ride!

katilady
06-26-2008, 02:51 PM
Yea, Sexton will be the storm out at sea for sure! And I am watching you rockstarsgirl...I know how you Californians are (Since I am one too, lol)!

mrubyjean
06-26-2008, 03:32 PM
You all have fun ~ just didn't make my mind up fast enough! But I will look forward to see all the intriguing cards that are posted in this swap!

katilady
06-26-2008, 04:14 PM
You all have fun ~ just didn't make my mind up fast enough! But I will look forward to see all the intriguing cards that are posted in this swap!

Seems like I am going to have to do this one again!

rockstarsgirl
06-26-2008, 04:17 PM
*rock the boat* *don't rock the boat, baby* *rock the boat* *don't tip the boat over*

cairnlae
06-26-2008, 04:40 PM
*groan*:rolleyes:

katilady
06-26-2008, 06:13 PM
You know you like it Karen! :P

katilady
06-26-2008, 07:11 PM
Just to be clear I added some basic rules to the 1st post. Nothing you guys don't already know but just to cover my derrière.

coffeelatte
06-26-2008, 08:49 PM
Kati - This is a hard one to articulate...I don't think I'm a superb artist, so I don't think this was me...but my card wasn't the one with pieces that had to be reglued, was it? I ask because I've started using gluesticks again (I really don't like 'em much...) and wondered if that's holding up with the vellum...

nanner
06-26-2008, 08:52 PM
Coffelatte...I just pm'd The Captain with the SAME question!

I think gluesticks are so easy to work with...they get a bad wrap.

katilady
06-26-2008, 09:21 PM
Kati - This is a hard one to articulate...I don't think I'm a superb artist, so I don't think this was me...but my card wasn't the one with pieces that had to be reglued, was it? I ask because I've started using gluesticks again (I really don't like 'em much...) and wondered if that's holding up with the vellum...

Nope, wasn't you. In fact it was no one in this swap, just being extra clear since it's my 1st time out! I use glue sticks too as well as gel medium and the dreaded rubber cement. So far so good. I trust everyone's judgment!

nanner
06-26-2008, 10:10 PM
They still make rubber cement?

katilady
06-26-2008, 10:17 PM
They still make rubber cement?

Hahaha! They sure do and despite it's reputation if you know how to work with it it does rather nicely! :P

cairnlae
06-27-2008, 12:50 AM
mmmm..love the smellll...mmmm....oh sorry..flashback!

amyfaerie
06-27-2008, 09:19 AM
thank you, karen . . . i love that smell!

my brother and i also used to paint our names with rubber cement on our cement patio. then light them on fire. LOL!

ah, to be young and moronic.

redplantlady
06-27-2008, 10:04 AM
RE:
Anything goes as long as it relates to Anne Sexton. If nudity and dark images aren't your thing please do not sign up. I will not be censoring participants.

Can we upload our pics to gallery?

katilady
06-27-2008, 11:33 AM
RE:
Anything goes as long as it relates to Anne Sexton. If nudity and dark images aren't your thing please do not sign up. I will not be censoring participants.

Can we upload our pics to gallery?

I don't see why not. If you feel your pics would disturb others, trust your judgment. However, I have seen nude and dark images in the gallery before without any problems.

amyfaerie
06-27-2008, 12:36 PM
hell yeah, upload them! LOL!

as far as i know, nothing is really "officially" off limits in the gallery as long as we aren't uploading any kiddie porn [or the still photography from that snuff film I made with those hobos last winter. i wasn't allowed to upload those].

nanner
06-27-2008, 12:40 PM
Snuff s'nough!

Now THAT is funny.

Hobos...nice choice.

katilady
06-27-2008, 12:42 PM
When do we get to see the film? All of us here LOVE that dark stuff! :D

nanner
06-27-2008, 07:42 PM
Everyone in me is a bird.
I am beating all my wings.
They wanted to cut you out
but they will not.
They said you were immeasurably empty
but you are not.
They said you were sick unto dying
but they were wrong.
You are singing like a school girl.
You are not torn.

--Anne Sexton
http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=21155&w=m

katilady
06-27-2008, 07:45 PM
I LOVE it Nan!

nanner
06-27-2008, 10:20 PM
Child, the current of your breath is six days long.
You lie, a small knuckle on my white bed;
lie, fisted like a snail, so small and strong
at my breast. Your lips are animals;
http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=21156&w=m
you are fed with love

katilady
06-27-2008, 10:24 PM
I love the way you think!

amyfaerie
06-27-2008, 10:27 PM
these are great, nan! i love them!

amyfaerie
06-27-2008, 10:27 PM
i have a very good friend in madison, wisconsin . . . are you near there, ms. nutty?

nanner
06-27-2008, 10:33 PM
Thank you for the interest in my freaky cards...I am enjoying this ride, Captain and crew!

a-faerie-girl....I'm in the boonies...northeast of Madison, northwest of Milwaukee. Actual Nowheresville. Was just in Madison earlier in the month. Went to Sheryl Crow's concert. That chick is a friggin' ROCKSTAR. She is a true talent.

As is our Anne Sexton...is it just me...or do y'all get a little sad getting immersed in her life for this swap, only to know her tragic end?

Sigh...

katilady
06-27-2008, 10:37 PM
Yea, it can be depressing. But I like to remember the beautiful gift she gave this world with her words. And I can relate to a lot of her life...my big secret is that I am bipolar so while her words are often tragic they are also cathartic for me. Nice to know I am not the only nut-so out there! :D

nanner
06-27-2008, 10:41 PM
Oh, Captain, my Captain.

Thanks for sharing...I'm not very familiar with what bipolar really is. I mean, I've heard of it, but just in passing. You have such a passion with art...is it like that? Big ups...big downs? Too many questions...just tell me to shut it!

nanner
06-27-2008, 10:45 PM
With that "lips are animals" card...isn't that snapping turtle HARD CORE?

I creep myself out on that one. Yikes. Like I said...this swap will change you.

katilady
06-27-2008, 10:56 PM
No it's OK. I'd rather you be educated. 1st of all Bipolar Disorder runs on a spectrum and I am lucky to have a milder version of it. But you are right, I have periods of lows (depressions) and highs (hypo-mania) in my life. I am not constantly swinging back and forth, my moods can be pretty stable as they are now. But I take medication to keep it that way! Depressions suck as you would imagine they would, hypo-mania can be fun for awhile--lots of energy, feelings of grandiosity, able to get lots of things done. But in my case the fun part passes within a week and I turn into the most irritable person on earth, lol! For me my mood shifts tend to be cyclical. I generally have at least one bout of hypo-mania in the spring and one bout of depression in the summer, although with my new med regimen I am doing fine right now! I have a great doctor and support network that kinda helps me watch my moods. Feel free to ask questions, I am not shy about my diagnosis and truly believe that the more people talk about mental illness the less of a stigma there will be!

nanner
06-27-2008, 11:11 PM
Thanks Kati Dear...I ask with an open heart...and I truly want to know, because I care about you.

I have a on-the-outs girlfriend in my life right now that I suspect might be somewhat bipolar...she loves me one day, and pushes me away the next. I'm not sure what to think. I'd rather she just "say it" if she is. You know, put it out there, and let's deal with the truth...I can handle the truth.

katilady
06-27-2008, 11:15 PM
I work in the mental health field and your friend may have Borderline Personality Disorder, they often do that push and pull thing. In fact, there is a book about it entitled I Hate You, Don't Leave Me. Of course I can't diagnose off of your one description, but Bipolar and Borderline often get mixed up. There is another great book about Borderlines called Sometimes I Act Crazy. It's a very easy read and could give you some clear insight as to whether or not that diagnosis is a good fit for her.

rockstarsgirl
06-28-2008, 03:51 AM
Thanks Katilady! I've just been diagnosed with cyclothalmia (which is a form of bipolar for those that are unfamiliar...essentially I cycle REALLY fast 3-7 up days 2-3 manic days and then 3-7 down days over and over and over again). I'll look into that book. I was just talking to my mom and telling her I miss writing poetry. She asked me why I didn't anymore. 1. antidepressants and 2. I'm generally happy now...I can't write happy poetry (blame my bf...it's all his fault hehehe)

redplantlady
06-28-2008, 04:32 AM
So weird, rockstargirl, who was it who said "happiness writes white"?
I had 2 stillbirths with a daughter in between, then when my daughter was 6 and a half I had a son, then another son 20 months later.
When son one was born and was fine I had this incredible creative spell where I could write and write, all the dark stuff that came from before the dead babies and then about all that death - I was doing a degree at the time, history of art and 20th c poetry, and Sexton and Plath also fed into all the dark...
I'm going on a bit here! The point is I also had bouts of severe depression - I used to go on and off tricyclics - but now I have fluoxetine and I am levelled out, and it just silenced me. So the depression was also the creativity...

KatieV
06-28-2008, 08:07 AM
Kati, thanks for starting this swap! So interesting to read Sexton's poetry - and how great that we are getting to know each other better because of your swap with her as the theme!

amyfaerie
06-28-2008, 08:25 AM
coffeelatte, i thought the same thing . . . "IS IT ME? DID MY CARD FALL APART?" lol. i was going to PM kati, then she answered you in the thread. :rolleyes:

amyfaerie
06-28-2008, 08:39 AM
i hafta say, kati . . . i agree with katiev that the swap is becoming a really nice catalyst for knowing a bit more about some of the artists on the site.

i come from a delightfully long line of depressed women--my maternal great-grandmother, grandmother, and my mom all had horrible bouts. my mom apparently spent about a year in bed when my lil' brother and i were pretty small [i don't remember this time].

i have had problems with depression, too, since i was a small girl. now, it is only quite severe when i'm not on medication that's working for me. and, it often manifests itself as uncontrollable anger. how fun. i missed two months (!) of work this spring when my meds just up and crapped out on me. nice.

anyhow, there's my bit of grief to throw on the pile. LOL.

i do have to say that my writing has always been part of my therapy . . . but like you, rockstargirl, i often clam up when i'm in a good mood.

but since last fall, when i found the OS and started working on collage again, and began making ATCs, i find that there are weeks when i'm happy because i'm being creative, which makes me only MORE creative. i think i approached my inspiration for writing in the wrong way . . .

my only problem now is that my meds make me VERY disorganized and unable to keep a schedule. i used to be WAY anal-retentive and organized, down to the minute, every day. now i'm flakey, and that's hard to get used to, but flakey is better than evil.

just ask my hubs. LOL!

anyhow, i must say that i NEVER thought i'd be a person who made close friends in online forums of any sort, but i LOVE the people i've met here. i would bet it's the best community of friends--nutbags and crazies included--i've ever had, if only for the sheer variety of personalities and the amount of varied types of support.

katilady
06-28-2008, 01:02 PM
Thanks everyone for sharing their stories! If this swap only serves the purpose of letting us know more about eachother than I am happy with that, though hopefully we will get some great cards thrown in.

I too had to take some time off work last year due to uncontrollable depression, my creativity was dead for sure then. But when I made it through to the other side (ever feel like you are in a tunnel when you're depressed?) I found I was bursting with creativity and that's when I joined etsy and a month or so later this site.

There is a great book by Kay Redfield Jamison called Touched With Fire that looks at bipolar disorder and the artistic temperament. I am in the middle of reading it now.

Thank you all for sharing your stories!

amyfaerie
06-28-2008, 01:36 PM
i read Touched with Fire several years ago, when writing about Virginia Woolf's battle with the illness [for a project in graduate school]--it's a really, really intriguing book.

jamison is a really wonderful critical writer, because she is SO well read, smart, and well-respected; but she also writes in a way that is definitely approachable, esp. in the arena of critical writing about psychology.

nanner
06-28-2008, 03:11 PM
Captain and crew...I truly believe that some things are much more than coincidence. Perhaps we were all meant to be in this swap, and share in this vulnerably beautiful way. Art is a catalyst...and A.Sexton's art is certainly working through us.

It drew us in and opened us up (that sounds like a line she might write.)

rockstarsgirl
06-28-2008, 05:54 PM
I am very happy to be crew on this ship and nuttynanner I think you might just be right.

EraserQueen
06-28-2008, 06:00 PM
Dang...if someone has to withdraw, lemme know! :D

katilady
06-28-2008, 06:11 PM
Dang...if someone has to withdraw, lemme know! :D

I definitely will!

coffeelatte
06-29-2008, 10:17 AM
What a sisterhood we are....I, too, come from a long line of depressed women -- on both sides of my family tree. In my 20s I did some hard-core talk therapy and finally saw that lineage really clearly for what it was. I struggle with my own bouts of depression, and my family has been through some very stressful times with my sister (who has more extreme ups and crashing downs.)

Rockstargirl - You mentioned you don't write poetry anymore and that meds might interfere. Sometimes it is more about not making writing a habit -- when we are on an even keel we don't automatically turn to our pens and paper. If we do it every day then that link to our deep, creative thoughts gets more firmly established. And, if you are truly missing a piece of your creative life, then you might investigate other options...not to mess with what's working for you, but my sister had to try a number of different meds before finding the right ones that let her reclaim aspects of her creativity that were being stifled. She is an avid writer and photographer -- and willingly tells people that anti-depressants saved her life. You might not have to live without poetry...

nanner
06-30-2008, 01:15 PM
But the eyes, as thick as wood in this album,
hold me. I stop here, where a small boy
waits in a ruffled dress for someone to come ...
for this soldier who holds his bugle like a toy
or for this velvet lady who cannot smile.

http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=21554&w=m

rockstarsgirl
06-30-2008, 02:45 PM
awesome

katilady
06-30-2008, 08:25 PM
Wow, you guys are awesome! Great work Nanner and wonderful conversation to the rest of you! Funny how and where you can find common ground with people.

Those look like great reads alteredmommy! You'll have to share the highlights!

katilady
07-02-2008, 09:21 PM
Just checkin in with ya'll! Anyone got a good Sexton line or 2? I am waiting for my book to show up, but my fave off the top of my head is:

Everyone in me is a bird,
I am beating all my wings

nanner
07-02-2008, 09:55 PM
Whether you are pretty or not, I outlive you,
bend down my strange face to yours and forgive you.

(Holy CRAP is that powerful!)

katilady
07-02-2008, 10:12 PM
That is fucking awesome! I can picture it in my head even...I may have to use that Nanner!

nanner
07-02-2008, 10:39 PM
Hey...when you're tired of "Avoid Safety"...that tagline would send ripples!

I love that you just swore in this thread. I usually use substitutions for that sh*t!

katilady
07-02-2008, 10:48 PM
I've decided cussing is allowed :D....it is Anne Sexton after all!

KatieV
07-04-2008, 10:35 AM
Am I on the right track? Here is a card I did:

http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=22233&w=s (http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/index.php?n=22233)

katilady
07-04-2008, 12:21 PM
Katie! That's gorgeous! Yes, you are on the right track!

amyfaerie
07-06-2008, 12:28 PM
katie, i love that card! and kati . . . one of the delightful perks of this new site over the old site is that we can swear when we want. LOL! i absolutely adore the new tag line!

my scanner is gone . . . it was never really happy working with a mac . . . so i had to take a picture of my cards. however, i'm sending them out tomorrow!

one for you, too, kati--your pick as a host gift!

http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=22563&w=l

amyfaerie
07-06-2008, 12:29 PM
oh, they look much better in person . . . in this shot, they look a little garish.

amyfaerie
07-06-2008, 12:42 PM
I'm deep into her daughters book right now, I thought it would be interesting to see anne sexton's life from someone else's perspective. she's very honest about her mother and I get the feeling it was a very difficult book for her to write. hard to live with tortured artists.....

i really liked the book her daughter wrote! middlebrook's bio is my fave, but i liked reading about sexton from one of her children's points of view. i think i've read most every book about sexton . . . she's just fascinating to me.

katilady
07-06-2008, 12:44 PM
Amy your cards are gorgeous!

terryart
07-06-2008, 12:52 PM
I would like to give this a go...

katilady
07-06-2008, 12:57 PM
I would like to give this a go...

Oh! I wish you could, but it's my 1st swap so I am only allowed 12 people. :(

cairnlae
07-06-2008, 01:18 PM
amyfairie..they are supercalifragilisticly kewl!

katilady
07-06-2008, 02:54 PM
I love hearing your observations Cheryl! I need to go buy that book!

From everything I have heard about her and from my own expreience working in the mental health field it really does sound like she had Borderline Personality Disorder. I can't wait to read the books and give a more definitive 'diagnosis', lmao!

rockstarsgirl
07-06-2008, 02:55 PM
I just love what's going on with this swap!!! Both artistically and discussion wise.

katilady
07-06-2008, 02:55 PM
Me too Nicole, me too!

amyfaerie
07-06-2008, 03:00 PM
LOL! love what you're saying, altmom! i agree, it's interesting how she couldn't deal with kids, housework, being a traditional SAHM . . . but that suddenly, the literary community opened up new worlds to her! she could be selfish, and keep her own hours, and have love affairs . . . and the fact that she was actually talented at writing--and therefore garnered the support of family--sort of "allowed" her to do it.

i do think she had serious emotional problems [you're right--not really nailed down], but once the reins were loosened and she was allowed to do whatever she wanted, she flourished artistically. obviously, on some level, she was still very unhappy . . . but you're right. things were very different for her because of how she was allowed to "opt out."

i think about her kids, like many other kids who've talked about their famous or gifted parents, and how they report that it doesn't make a difference how fabulous their parents were in public . . . the children just wanted a mom. or a dad. and it's often the one thing they didn't have.


(thanks everyone, for compliments on my cards! i loved making them!)
:D

amyfaerie
07-06-2008, 03:04 PM
i agree with you, kati . . . she does certainly seem to have suffered from BPD, from everything i've read about it. i also think she was living in a time when that disorder wasn't diagnosed [i think i'm right?], so her symptoms just got lumped into a mid-20th Century version of "female hysteria."

kati, diane middlebrook's bio of anne is really well-researched and comprehensive. she's also written one of plath, and a more recent one of virginia woolf. all are good--i really admire her attention to detail.

katilady
07-06-2008, 03:28 PM
Oooooh! Thanks for the tips Amy! I will hunt that down on Amazon.

Part of the reason I did this swap is the poetry of AS resonates with me. Sometimes when I read her work I feel I could have written those same lines. But, I don't know that much about her, I don't even know about a lot of her work. So this is a challenge for me to get more familiar with it and to create art inspired by it.

I ordered her complete works off of Amazon when i started this swap, and is it just me, or do they ship slow? Cause the fucking thing still hasn't arrived! (There I go cussing again!)

redplantlady
07-06-2008, 05:20 PM
Here's my first try... it's from The Truth the Dead Know
http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=22622&w=s

Talking about loving the poetry and not the poet - Ifound Plath's suicide with her tiny children in the flat with her while she gassed herself VERY hard to empathise with!:(

katilady
07-06-2008, 05:34 PM
That is so cool! I love how the writing goes over her face.

nanner
07-06-2008, 10:42 PM
Oh, Captain, our captain, and crew of the S.S. Weirdo...this card is in honor of our swap. Observe as our fearless Captain leads us aboard, and the spirit of Anne herself channels the lightning into what will surely be a tumultuous ride:
http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=22683&w=m
(Kati...this is your hostess gift...because you ROCK.)

katilady
07-06-2008, 10:54 PM
YES! That is so awesome! Thank you Nanner! I only rock cause I have a kick ass crew!

amyfaerie
07-07-2008, 08:18 AM
you all are too much!

redplantlady, i agree. it's a hard thing to reconcile--that plath did that with her children in the house.

not to digress . . . but a lot of people don't know that plath's husband, ted hughes, had a long-time lover who years later killed herself in the exact same way as plath. plath's life, and hughes' life, is a crazy-weird story, and not just because of the suicide of plath.

amyfaerie
07-07-2008, 08:19 AM
ooh ooh! my cards are packed up and going postal this morning! WOOT!

i have to go to the podiatrist [ugh!] this morning, and i'll drop off the envie on my way!

katilady
07-07-2008, 10:04 AM
Yay! Can't wait to see them!

Very interesting about Ted Hughes btw...

KatieV
07-07-2008, 12:06 PM
Love this swap! I feel like I'm enjoying myself and getting educated at the same time :D My cards went in the mail today.

nanner
07-07-2008, 12:07 PM
My cards are going out today, too Capt.

KatieV...LOVE the new avatar...does it match some ink hiding on your person somewhere?

KatieV
07-07-2008, 12:13 PM
Thanks nanner! No tattoos for me yet ;) I'm considering getting something, but I can't decide what. Or where. :laugh:

nanner
07-07-2008, 12:45 PM
I'd consider a tat, too (hey...tattoo...I'm cracking myself up again) but the WHAT and WHERE are toughies.

Okay, so crew...who here has tat's and where, if you don't mind sharing with the Sextons?

katilady
07-07-2008, 12:45 PM
Yay more cards!

I agree Katie, love the new avatar!

redplantlady
07-07-2008, 01:01 PM
On Ted Hughes' mistress, she also killed their little girl...

katilady
07-07-2008, 01:01 PM
Thanks so much for sharing that info! I am dying to get teh book. I think I agree that some people have suicide in them. I know many that do. 2 weeks ago a close friend made a serious attempt, and I don't think it will be the last. And I think a lot of artists have a fascination with death, I know I do. Not my own death neccesarily, but more the little deaths that happen everyday, that help us to grow and change. Death and rebirth are big themes for me. Every time I make it through the other side of a deep depression (you know those dark nights of the soul that last for weeks or months) I feel reborn. I really am a weirdo, lol!

katilady
07-07-2008, 01:02 PM
tattoos are like pringles chips once you pop you can't stop.... I have 3, one over twenty years old of a pegasus on my left arm (it's covering up an ill-advised drunken dare tattoo of a ladybug); a wiccan symbol for blessings on my right ankle-a crescent moon like a smile with 3 drops below it, my best friend got the same on her foot and it represents the blessings of my 3 children; last one is the buddha wisdom eyes on the top of my left foot. This is my survived leukemia tattoo (that I really wasn't supposed to get....all my doctors are hematologists and extremely freaked out by tattoos) I like tattoos where I can see them and think I'll do the other foot this summer.

Yay for tats! I have 3 and 6 piercings! And a big CONGRATS on surviving leukemia! WOW!

rockstarsgirl
07-07-2008, 01:25 PM
I want a giant tat on my ribcage. As some of you may know I have a chronic pain issue and this is where my pain is. I was it to say, "Pain is temporary" and underneath I want it to look like my skin has been ripped open to reveal my ribcage. I want that part mostly realistic showing bones and muscle, etc.

nanner
07-07-2008, 01:25 PM
Wow, do I love this thread.

a.mommy:This is some crazy stuff you are reading and sharing. Thanks for it. I'm not a big reader, and appreciate your nuggets of tortured truth. On happier notes, love the significances of your tat's and SO GOOD to have you here...a survivor with spunk (sorry doc...got another tattoo today...)

r.plantlady: Yikes on that last tidbit. I'm gonna go hug a loved one as soon as I'm done typing this.

Capt. K: I'm uncomfortable with you saying your "dying" to get the book, and then saying you are fascinated with death. Don't scare me, CAPTAIN!

nanner
07-07-2008, 01:26 PM
RSG...HOLY CRAP. That is an end-all-be-all tat you're talking about there!

redplantlady
07-07-2008, 01:30 PM
Wow, that is quite something - I have never dared have anything permanent - apart from pierced ears :sad:
So sorry about the pain...

rockstarsgirl
07-07-2008, 01:31 PM
hehehe. Either way it's going to hurt (especially since it's on my ribcage), but I figure might as well....go big or go home! I'm really just looking for someone who I like their art work enough to have them permanently mark my body.

nanner
07-07-2008, 06:30 PM
And thus...our next swap will be born...

katilady
07-07-2008, 10:43 PM
Hey ya'll! My book arrived today! Woot! I will be digging into it tonight.

On another note, I have some great news! I proposed doing an article about this swap for ArtTrader Magazine and they liked the idea and accepted! The articles theme will revolve a lot about dark art and how making that kind of art can be healing/helpful for people. I would like to get some in put from ya'll at some point as I am writing the article, but the really cool part is that they want to use cards from this swap as the art for the article! The deal is the article is due on Aug. 15. The swap is still a month out at that point. I am announcing this so that those of you would like your cards considered for the article can turn their cards in by then. It is by no means mandatory that your card is included or due earlier. If you happen to turn your cards in early and don't want them in the article please include a note in with your cards. Also, I can only choose a few cards (I don't know how many yet), so if you do turn them in early please realize that doesn't guarantee that your card will be included in the article. Not being chosen is in no way a reflection of the quality of your art or what I think of it. It just means there is limited space.

Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts on this!

KatieV
07-08-2008, 06:57 AM
Neato :) ArtTrader is so much fun! Still haven't got through the entire last issue - so many neat articles in there.

cairnlae
07-08-2008, 02:23 PM
did anyone one notice that Moi:rolleyes: was in it this month?LOL...

nanner
07-08-2008, 03:56 PM
Um....could you please scan and share for those of us that don't subscribe?

PROVE IT, CARNIE!

cairnlae
07-08-2008, 04:02 PM
Honey, its an online magazine availabable to anyone...:P

http://www.arttradermag.com/

nanner
07-08-2008, 04:24 PM
DOIG!

(There's a manufacturing company out here called DOIG, and we like to use that in place of d'oh, or duh...but said louder and like a spring sound...boing!....DOIG!...you should try it...might make you less...:P...sassy!)

cairnlae
07-08-2008, 04:29 PM
DOIG!

you should try it...might make you less...:P...sassy!)


Not a chance of that happening...........:jimlad:

katilady
07-08-2008, 04:52 PM
You guys are hilarious!

katilady
07-08-2008, 09:11 PM
A poem:

The Moss of His Skin

It was only important
to smile and hold still
to lie down beside him
and to rest awhile,
to be folded up together
as if we were silk,
to sink from the eyes of mother
and not to talk.
The black room took us
like a cave or a mouth
or an indoor belly.
I held my breath
and daddy was there,
his thumbs, his fat skull,
his teeth, his hair growing
like a field or a shawl.
I lay by the moss
of his skin until
it grew strange. My sisters
will never know that I fall
out of myself and pretend
that Allah will not see
how I hold my daddy
like an old stone tree.

Quoted above this poem, from the Psychoanalysis and Psychoanalytic Review is:
Young girls in old Arabia were often buried alive next to their dead fathers, apparently as a sacrifice to the goddesses of the tribes...

nanner
07-08-2008, 09:19 PM
What are you talking about?

katilady
07-08-2008, 09:20 PM
I was editing when you wrote, but my computer was playing tricks on me!

katilady
07-08-2008, 09:36 PM
Yea, it is super creepy. Would make an interesting card though!

nanner
07-08-2008, 10:00 PM
Dude...maybe it's the spirit of Anne coming through your keyboard.

You think I'm kidding?

katilady
07-08-2008, 10:02 PM
No, I take everything you say with the utmost seriousness. Everything.:geek:

nanner
07-08-2008, 10:16 PM
Hmmm...well...I am usually a sarcastic hag...but I appreciate that nonetheless.

I am scared sh*tless of the spirit world...but I do believe in restless souls. Actually had an experience with one in a Medici hotel in Italy. But I digress...

...I wouldn't be surprised if Anne voiced something in here somewhere...because what a voice!

Gonna write THAT in your article, Captain?

katilady
07-08-2008, 10:24 PM
Write that Nanner hears voices? Sure! I am sure the readers would be very interested!

rockstarsgirl
07-08-2008, 10:46 PM
I love it Kati. You write amazingly.

katilady
07-08-2008, 10:49 PM
That was an Anne poem! I wish I wrote like that. I write more like a 3rd grader, sigh.

rockstarsgirl
07-08-2008, 10:51 PM
hehehe....well.....it was still amazing, Captain. I do hear voices. Some people thing it's because I'm "sensitive" others think I have atypical psychosis. :shocked:

katilady
07-08-2008, 10:55 PM
LOL! And what do you think? :D

rockstarsgirl
07-08-2008, 10:58 PM
Well....since I've hard them for as long as I can remember (I remember being about 5 and asking my mom if she could hear them too)....I just think it's part of me. When I was little I thought everyone heard them. I lean more towards the "sensitive," though since I also have prophetic dreams and there is a linage of "sensitives" in my family.

katilady
07-08-2008, 11:00 PM
I like how open you are about it. I believe in people being sensitive too. Do they get distracting or can you ignore them pretty easily?

rockstarsgirl
07-09-2008, 12:04 AM
VERY distracting. I have to have noise at all times. The worst part is is that I can't really understand what they say. It just sounds like I'm in a crowded room at all times. I can tell if it's male or female, but that's about it. So I have the TV on all the time (even while I sleep) and my mom bought me a radio that I can hang in the shower (it even has a CD player in it). Before it I hated taking showers because it was the only place I couldn't have noise and I heard the voices A LOT.

nanner
07-09-2008, 12:11 AM
Wowza, RSG...have you ever seen a spiritual specialist of any kind about this? Hypnosis? Is it scary?

Captain...for the record...I don't mean to write about my ghost experience...I meant the part about Anne potentially zapping into your computer as you post her poetry. Of course, then the mag folks would think you're a loon. So maybe don't mention that. Better leave out that you sit at the helm of the S.S. Weirdo, too.

katilady
07-09-2008, 12:13 AM
Wow Nicole! That must be really annoying. A friend of mine who is bipolar was hearing voices when she was manic. It was the 1st time it happened and she said she wandered around her apartment building looking for the person who was talking so loud. It took her awhile to realize it was in her head. Big hugs to you for being able to live with that and continue to make art and shit!

rockstarsgirl
07-09-2008, 01:17 AM
Thanks! No, it's not really scary since I can't remember not having it. My psychiatrist said with the new meds it might stop (no matter what was really causing it), but when I turn off the noise I still hear it. I've started to read Sylvia Brown's books because I have heard nothing but good about her and she tries to teach people about becoming more sensitive to their environment.

katilady
07-09-2008, 10:23 AM
Fascinating! And Nanner I think you're right the mag people would think I am a loon. The funny thing is they would be right, lol!

katilady
07-10-2008, 10:44 AM
Let's start the morning off with some Sexton:

The Truth the Dead Know

Gone, I say and walk from church,
refusing the stiff procession to the grave,
letting the dead ride alone in the hearse.
It is June. I am tired of being brave.

We drive to the Cape. I cultivate
myself where the sun gutters from the sky,
where the sea swings like an iron gate
and we touch. In another country people die.

My darling, the wind falls in like stones
from the whitehearted water and when we touch
we enter touch entirely. No one's alone.
Men kill for this, or for as much.

And what of the dead? They lie without shoes
in their stone boats. They are more like stone
than the sea would be if it stopped. They refuse
to be blessed. throat, eye, and knucklebone.

(This was dedicated to her dead parents.)

rockstarsgirl
07-10-2008, 06:13 PM
WOW. You rock Captain....getting our creativity going....or maybe just our weirdness.:twitcy:

katilady
07-10-2008, 08:26 PM
Nanner's fab cards are here! Thanks for the hostess card, goodies AND extra postage! You kick ass!

katilady
07-11-2008, 08:17 PM
Katie's luscious cards arrived today! Thanks so much for the extra!

amyfaerie
07-11-2008, 08:32 PM
okay, ladybugs . . . i've had to catch up in the thread almost three pages! LOL! i think your tattoo idea on the ribcage is a great one, rsg!

i have lots of tattoos . . . lots. it's my goal to have both arms sleeved . . . and i'm getting there.

1. a full sleeve on my left arm [a zombie girl/graveyard scene, a whitman quote, some buttons and fabric patches, among other stuff]
2. a full chest piece [two coffins that say "til death do us part"]
3. four larger tats on the right arm [two-headed skeleton fetus, a pink typewriter, a sacred heart w/ a ring of books, and an angel-being from an alchemy book & nick bantock's work]
4. big black stars on the backs of my thighs.
5. two tats on my back, covering up stupid tattoos i got when i was 18. a dead woman's face with butterfly wings covers up a tinkerbell, and a nekkid mermaid covers a crescent moon.
6. oh, and i have a small, cursive S on the back of my right ankle for steve, my hubs. it's really the only dainty one i've got.

sigh. they all mean a lot to me . . . and i LOVE them. i'm going to miss my tattoo artist SO much when i move. he's awesome.

amyfaerie
07-11-2008, 08:36 PM
that poem, the truth the dead know, is lovely and haunting. as a writer, it's a really great example of a poem that technically could be viewed as having flaws [awkward repetition, a bit wordy and somewhat clunky] . . . but that nonetheless works because of the apparent skill of the writer.

it's beautiful. the line breaks that make the line:

"in their stone boats. They are more like stone"

is one of my favorites in all her work. she sometimes rocked the line break's ability to create subtext like no one else.

katilady
07-11-2008, 08:44 PM
I so agree Amy. Her line breaks really make me enjoy reading her work aloud. The line that kills me and that I think I will do a card on is:

They are more like stone
than the sea would be if it stopped.

This line really stops me in my tracks. The imagery gets me. Anyway...I love RSG's tat idea. I have 3 myself: a Celtic chest piece, A Celtic triangle on the back of my neck, and a tribal phoenix on my upper left arm. I would like to get the phoenix re-done, it was my 1st tat and done by an apprentice. It's all black and I am now realizing that a phoenix needs color! I have another tat planned: a portrait of my familiar Kali on my right forearm. She was a special kitty who died a year ago. I still miss her.

rockstarsgirl
07-11-2008, 10:42 PM
I may have to head up into your neck of the woods to get my tat. Not sure I know anyone down here I would trust to give me a recommendation.

cairnlae
07-11-2008, 10:58 PM
My first one is on my chest(and yes it needs to be covered or redone-what is it w/ 1st tattoos?!)-its an earth, sun,moon(a tribute to the band Love and Rockets..LOL), an amband on my right arm that I designed from a pic in an old book about celtic art...I call my design caveman celtic...:cool:..and above that I have an Eye of Ra done from some clipart I snipped out of a Rolling Stone back in the 70's..LO..knew I'd do something w/ it someday..but not this!!!

katilady
07-11-2008, 11:24 PM
I may have to head up into your neck of the woods to get my tat. Not sure I know anyone down here I would trust to give me a recommendation.

Definitely go somewhere good! There are a couple of good places up here, I lucked out. My chest piece was done here and it is by far my best tat. It looks brand new and it is 6-7 years old. And it's on a place that gets a lot of sun! My other 2 were done in AZ, which is where I am from. Go into a lot of shops, look at their books and talk to the artists about their style and how they work. That's what I did with my chest piece. I had a totally different color scheme in mind but the artist convinced me to try something different and it's the best decision I made. And be willing to spend the money, this is a big investment!

rockstarsgirl
07-11-2008, 11:32 PM
Yeah, I expect it to be a lot. And I expect it to hurt. I almost want to go to Corey on LA Ink because he is soooo great with free handing script and where I want it (essentially right under my boob) can't be easy to write there.

KatieV
07-12-2008, 12:15 AM
I want to get a tattoo - but I'm so indecisive! And I don't know where to go to get one, either. LOL, should I just start asking people I see around town where they got their tattoos?? :laugh:

katilady
07-12-2008, 12:39 AM
Yep! That's the best way to find a reputable shop!

amyfaerie
07-12-2008, 11:09 AM
okay, just an idea . . . i was in a few swaps at the OS that gemini_moon66 hosted, and they were great. she's hosting a journaling swap . . . thought some of us might be interested? she's only taking 10 people! i'm already signed up . . . and it looked right up "dark and raw"'s alley!

LOL!

http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/showthread.php?p=159655#post159655

amyfaerie
07-12-2008, 11:12 AM
alteredmommy, you're right . . . that poem "her kind" is so powerful. i have a recording of sexton reading it that's amazing! and, www.poets.org has a recording of her reading it, too . . . http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/14



my tattoo artist recommended an artist named ryan at a portland shop called "scapegoat tattoo." i may have to drive up there and check him out once i'm settled.

jasin, my pittsburgh tattoo guy, said to me, "go ahead and get more out there, but only get good ones." LOL.

katilady
07-12-2008, 12:18 PM
LOVE that poem Alteredmommy! Anyone up for doing an ATC on this line:

where your flames still bite my thigh

That would me mighty interesting!

My 5 year plan is to move to Portland, cause my siblings are there. So I am glad you already have the name of a good artist there Amy.

katilady
07-12-2008, 06:49 PM
Amy's wonderful cards arrived today and they were loaded down with goodies! Thanks so much!

katilady
07-12-2008, 06:57 PM
A Sexton poem I read today that struck a chord with me, The Lost Lie:

There is rust in my mouth,
the stain of an old kiss.
And my eyes are turning purple,
my mouth is glue
and my hands are two stones
and the heart,
is still there,
that place where love dwelt
but is nailed into place.
Still I feel no pity for these oddities,
in fact the feeling is one of hatred.
For it is only the child in me bursting out
and I keep plotting how to kill her.

Once there was a woman,
full as a theater of moon
and love begot love
and the child, when she peeked out,
did not hate herself then.
Funny, funny, love what you do.
But today I roam a dead house,
a frozen kitchen, a bedroom
like a gas chamber.
The bed itself is an operating table
where my dreams slice me into pieces.

Oh love,
the terror,
the fright wig,
that your dear curly head
was, was, was.

amyfaerie
07-12-2008, 10:20 PM
glad they've touched down over there, kati! :D

coffeelatte
07-13-2008, 12:05 PM
The Lost Lie -- that is one of the poems that always wrenches me. Read it out loud and there's so much in each line.

And I agree that this would be a fantastic card --
They are more like stone
than the sea would be if it stopped.

PS - Portland has a lot of really great tattoo artists, and I don't think you will have any problem finding someone that you will want to do your next, Amy!

redplantlady
07-14-2008, 09:35 AM
About hearing things - when my first baby was stillborn, for 2 or 3 weeks I could hear a baby crying all the time, it drove me mad- that one was a boy. It stopped after a while.
As for seeing things, I also had a stillborn girl and when she would have been about seven I woke up one night and could see a little figure next to my bed, just standing there, but draped from head to foot in a kind of silky black cloth, so it was a little child shape but completely covered. There was the fabric covered shape of a head and the material flowing down to where the feet would be - though I knew it was a girl. The door was open and I could see down the landing as it exactly was - so to this day I don't know if I was dreaming with my eyes open and superimposing the image on top of what was really there - or if I really saw it...

I am STILL waiting for my collected poems and the biography - they have been shipped from USA - but are taking ages :arghh: So I am finding poems on the web. The Truth the Dead Know is my favourite at the moment, I've done a couple of cards on that so far...

katilady
07-14-2008, 12:44 PM
About hearing things - when my first baby was stillborn, for 2 or 3 weeks I could hear a baby crying all the time, it drove me mad- that one was a boy. It stopped after a while.
As for seeing things, I also had a stillborn girl and when she would have been about seven I woke up one night and could see a little figure next to my bed, just standing there, but draped from head to foot in a kind of silky black cloth, so it was a little child shape but completely covered. There was the fabric covered shape of a head and the material flowing down to where the feet would be - though I knew it was a girl. The door was open and I could see down the landing as it exactly was - so to this day I don't know if I was dreaming with my eyes open and superimposing the image on top of what was really there - or if I really saw it...

I am STILL waiting for my collected poems and the biography - they have been shipped from USA - but are taking ages :arghh: So I am finding poems on the web. The Truth the Dead Know is my favourite at the moment, I've done a couple of cards on that so far...

I think it's amazing what happens when one has been through a trauma. Thanks for sharing your story.

Where did you order her books through? I got mine from Amazon and they took F O R E V E R !

redplantlady
07-14-2008, 04:15 PM
Yes Amazon marketplace and shipping from US to UK; they say the books are despatched but no sign and I like to flick through books, It's harder to "see" the words somehow on the net.

Anyway, here is the second card
http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=24494&w=s

I am into the fairy tales now.

katilady
07-14-2008, 04:20 PM
That is just gorgeous! Wow!

KatieV
07-14-2008, 04:30 PM
I've had books take a long time coming from Amazon too. It depends on where they have them in the warehouse or something. I eventually cancelled one order because it took so long.

katilady
07-14-2008, 06:58 PM
Todays reading:

When Man Enters Woman

When man
enters woman,
like the surf biting the shore,
again and again,
and the woman opens her mouth in pleasure
and her teeth gleam like the alphabet,
Logos appears milking a star,
and the man
inside of woman
ties a knot
so that they will
never again be separate
and the woman
climbs into a flower
and swallows its stem
and Logos appears
and unleashes their rivers.

This man,
this woman
with their double hunger,
have tried to reach through
the curtain of God
and briefly they have,
though God
in His perversity
unties the knot.

KatieV
07-14-2008, 07:04 PM
Oh that's a nice one! I haven't seen it before.

rockstarsgirl
07-14-2008, 08:55 PM
LOVE the art work and the shared stories!!! I love this little mini communtiy.

hearing things update: I turned off the TV last night to check to see if the meds had worked. Weird thing happened...I could understand the voices. I knew who was speaking. They were still speaking gibberish, but I could recognize the sounds. Freaked me out a little bit (ok, more than a little).

nanner
07-14-2008, 09:06 PM
Okay...

Thing 1: Someone needs to send this Man/Woman poem to my hub....meow!

Thing 2: RSG...I am fascinated. These are new meds? How about a tape recorder...or a trusted friend to just take down what you are hearing? Or maybe you don't want to know. This could open a big door. Are you sure you want to walk through it?

katilady
07-14-2008, 09:35 PM
NN: What's your hubby's addy? I will send the poem right off! *snickers*

RSG: Whoa! That would be scary, how ya feelin'? (And I like this community too!)

rockstarsgirl
07-14-2008, 09:49 PM
They are. They put me on seroquel for my cyclothalmia (kinda like bipolar) and my dr said it would help the voices (saying I may have atypical psychosis). I would like to know what they are saying. I figure if they've been talking to me this long, maybe they've got something important to say

nanner
07-14-2008, 09:52 PM
Y'know...I've TOLD my hub about you. And that I need to VISIT you when I go visit my baby (my niece Logan...the most precious being that ever crawled the Earth)...so, at this point...he might ENJOY the unsolicited e=mail.

RSG: You need to keep the crew informed. What are you hearing...what do you know? When Nanner comes to CA to visit...you need to drive to Eureka. We'll CARPOOL.

rockstarsgirl
07-14-2008, 09:53 PM
YAY...I'm up for a road trip. Ok, so don't ask me how I know. But last night I *KNEW* the woman who was talking was a middle aged Asian woman.

nanner
07-14-2008, 09:54 PM
RSG...THAT's IT. If not before...when I come back for a visit...we are gonna try some stuff. I have some pleasant (but effective) hypnosis type techniques (but you know what's going on the whole time, you're just relaxed.) ...and we're gonna get to the bottom of what these voices are telling you.

nanner
07-14-2008, 09:55 PM
That middle-aged Asian woman is gonna SPILL.

rockstarsgirl
07-14-2008, 09:56 PM
WHOO HOO! I can't wait. I'm up for anything.

nanner
07-14-2008, 09:59 PM
Cool...I used to live in Orange. My bro is still there. My sis (and precious Logan) live in Aliso Viejo...so, I'll borrow their monster SUV, or my bro's extra egg-car...come and get you...and then we'll crash at Kati's.

Kati...would you accept a crazy-ass sleep over?

rockstarsgirl
07-14-2008, 10:00 PM
I vote for that!

nanner
07-14-2008, 10:05 PM
Oh....Captain....can we come OVER??????

katilady
07-14-2008, 10:08 PM
YES! I LOVE crazy ass sleepovers! And I wanna know what the Asian woman is saying too!

rockstarsgirl
07-14-2008, 10:12 PM
Well, that makes 3 of us. Just tell me when and I'll have my bag packed and I'll be waiting by the door

cairnlae
07-14-2008, 11:13 PM
there are no sleepovers w/out ME!!!

katilady
07-14-2008, 11:17 PM
Then get your ass out here! :P

rockstarsgirl
07-15-2008, 01:30 AM
PARTY!!

redplantlady
07-16-2008, 06:06 AM
Yay, my collected poems arrived today :jiggy:

katilady
07-16-2008, 10:06 AM
Woohoo! You are gonna love reading them!

redplantlady
07-16-2008, 02:27 PM
Yes I am gloating over my book! I was wanting especially Transformations as I have some ideas for this.
In the meantime here is another card - there will be more as I am still playing with ideas katilady, so you will have to say which cards I should send!

... this one is to do with death and death as a baby, plus adding death in the womb - as the original drawing I copied was an anatomical drawing so the baby (and mother) must have died and been dissected
http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=24776&w=s

rockstarsgirl
07-16-2008, 02:27 PM
very powerful!

redplantlady
07-16-2008, 03:08 PM
Quite upsetting to do actually -but as it's dark and raw here goes another!

http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=24779&w=s

katilady
07-16-2008, 03:50 PM
OMG! Those are wonderful! And so powerful! :notworthy:

nanner
07-16-2008, 05:56 PM
Wow, RPL...those make me want to cry a little.

I don't think they could be more appropriate for the swap.

Wow.

katilady
07-17-2008, 09:09 PM
OH

It is snowing and death bugs me
as stubborn as insomnia.
The fierce bubbles of chalk,
the little white lesions
settle on the street outside.
It is snowing and the ninety
year old woman who was combing
out her long white wraith hair
is gone now, embalmed even now,
even tonight her arms are smooth
muskets at her side and nothing
issues from her but her last word--
"Oh." Surprised by death.

It is snowing. Paper spots
are falling from the punch.
Hello? Mrs. Death is here!
She suffers according to the digits
of my hate. I hear the filaments
of alabaster. I would lie down
with them and lift my madness
off like a wig. I would lie
outside in a room of wool
and let the snow cover me.
Paris white or flake white
or argentine, all in the washbain
of my mouth, calling, "Oh."
I am empty. I am witless.
Death is here. There is no
other settlement. Snow!
See the mark, the pock, the pock!

Meanwhile you pour your tea
with your handsome gentle hands.
Then you deliberately shake your
forefinger and point it at my temple,
saying, "You suicide bitch!
I'd like to take a corkscrew
and screw out all your brains
and you'd never be back ever."
And I close my eyes over the steaming
tea and see God opening His teeth.
"Oh," He says.
I see the child in me writing, "Oh."
Oh, my dear, not why.


And katilady says, "Discuss amongst yourselves."

amyfaerie
07-18-2008, 01:56 PM
okay, everyone . . . no obligation, of course, but if you'd like to join a "social group" on a similar topic, i've posted one!

The Art of Confession (http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/group.php?groupid=19)

katilady
07-18-2008, 02:15 PM
I've joined, Amy. I think it'll be a great forum for some similar discussions!

rockstarsgirl
07-18-2008, 04:40 PM
woot woot! me too. I'm so glad you did, Amy

redplantlady
07-19-2008, 06:32 AM
Re Oh - although there is a lot of anger, death itself is so quiet and seductive...

katilady
07-19-2008, 11:38 AM
Yes, the anger is palpable!

katilady
07-22-2008, 07:08 PM
Hello my lovelies! Just checking in on everyone's progress and seeing if anyone needs my addy yet! Do share what you are working on! As for me, I haven't finished my last 2 cards yet, but am thinking of ideas and narrowing down poems of inspiration. Who's next?

redplantlady
07-24-2008, 05:27 AM
Hi, I am still reading and thinking - (also have a scheduling problems, as I have realised I need to finish my doorways swap arghh:) is it OK to post several cards and then narrow them down, as I am truly gripped by this swap and feel there is a long way to go yet...

katilady
07-24-2008, 12:33 PM
absolutely! Would love to see anything you come up with!

redplantlady
07-25-2008, 06:06 PM
Re bad scheduling, also very gluey from magic chunkie book swap!! - but wondering, don't know if this will work - but I have some poems I wrote on Rapunzel, Red Riding Hood and Sweet Briar, and I was wondering if it would be arrogant to use some words from those as well as from Anne Sexton's Transformations?? And have I done too much on the baby stuff?? As I am still into this also...

katilady
07-25-2008, 07:25 PM
Go for it! I am lovin' it! Crew? You there? Any opinions?

nanner
07-25-2008, 07:41 PM
Original poetry plus Anne Sexton?...bring it on!

rockstarsgirl
07-26-2008, 01:14 AM
WOOT!!!! You know we love your babies RPL. They are powerful and wonderful.

katilady
08-05-2008, 12:07 AM
Is everyone here still alive? Too busy at your psychiatrist's to stop by the lonely Sexton thread? Whatcha all been up too???

nanner
08-05-2008, 01:27 AM
I think the Sexton therapy group has moved into the Art of Confession arena.

Today, I'm making "fluff" cards. Sappy sweet, ooey-gooey.

The kind Sexton swappers should turn their noses up to!

redplantlady
08-05-2008, 05:35 AM
I have messed up on timing so have been doing chunky pages, doorways, black and white gothic and moving cards for Vicki Z! I am now on a raven with a gory heart for Wudwooda who has just sent me 2 great cards... but I'm still lurking and plotting. I have just found that my order for the biography has got lost, so will carry on getting to know her through her poems. Have we looked at this one, it is so lush and lovely, I'm seeing my daughter in London tomorrow (going to the Royal Academy summer exhibition), she has been that girl, that woman, now has 2 little girls of her own and is pregnant again... seen a picture of a funny little 7 week embryo bean in a scan...
Little Girl, My String Bean, My Lovely Woman

By Anne Sexton

My daughter, at eleven
(almost twelve), is like a garden.

Oh, darling! Born in that sweet birthday suit
and having owned it and known it for so long,
now you must watch high noon enter -
noon, that ghost hour.
Oh, funny little girl – this one under a blueberry sky,
this one! How can I say that I've known
just what you know and just where you are?

It's not a strange place, this odd home
where your face sits in my hand
so full of distance,
so full of its immediate fever.
The summer has seized you,
as when, last month in Amalfi, I saw
lemons as large as your desk-side globe -
that miniature map of the world -
and I could mention, too,
the market stalls of mushrooms
and garlic buds all engorged.
Or I think even of the orchard next door,
where the berries are done
and the apples are beginning to swell.
And once, with our first backyard,
I remember I planted an acre of yellow beans
we couldn't eat.

Oh, little girl,
my stringbean,
how do you grow?
You grow this way.
You are too many to eat.

I hear
as in a dream
the conversation of the old wives
speaking of womanhood.
I remember that I heard nothing myself.
I was alone.
I waited like a target.

Let high noon enter –
the hour of the ghosts.
Once the Romans believed
that noon was the ghost hour,
and I can believe it, too,
under that startling sun,
and someday they will come to you,
someday, men bare to the waist, young Romans
at noon where they belong,
with ladders and hammers
while no one sleeps.

But before they enter
I will have said,
Your bones are lovely,
and before their strange hands
there was always this hand that formed.

Oh, darling, let your body in,
let it tie you in,
in comfort.
What I want to say, Linda,
is that women are born twice.

If I could have watched you grow
as a magical mother might,
if I could have seen through my magical transparent belly,
there would have been such a ripening within:
your embryo,
the seed taking on its own,
life clapping the bedpost,
bones from the pond,
thumbs and two mysterious eyes,
the awfully human head,
the heart jumping like a puppy,
the important lungs,
the becoming -
while it becomes!
as it does now,
a world of its own,
a delicate place.

I say hello
to such shakes and knockings and high jinks,
such music, such sprouts,
such dancing-mad-bears of music,
such necessary sugar,
such goings-on!

Oh, little girl,
my stringbean,
how do you grow?
You grow this way.
You are too many to eat.

What I want to say, Linda,
is that there is nothing in your body that lies.
All that is new is telling the truth.
I'm here, that somebody else,
an old tree in the background.

Darling,
stand still at your door,
sure of yourself, a white stone, a good stone -
as exceptional as laughter
you will strike fire,
that new thing!

KatieV
08-05-2008, 07:23 AM
Hehehe, still alive, Kati! I'm really busy at work, so I've been trying not to be online too much lately (it's hard!).

katilady
08-05-2008, 10:11 AM
Glad you guys are still there! RPL, that's one beautiful poem! I hear ya about work Katie--I wish I was independently wealthy so I could play all day! :D

nanner
08-05-2008, 11:06 AM
I hear
as in a dream
the conversation of the old wives
speaking of womanhood.
I remember that I heard nothing myself.
I was alone.
I waited like a target.

That stanza...and the line where she tells her daughter "nothing in her body lies"...I love the bare truth. Very real, coming-of-age, alone...all of that.

mynameisJenn
08-05-2008, 11:16 AM
I haven't gotten started on my cards yet :swoon:

I have soooo many ideas just trying to narrow some down to make things actually work

katilady
08-05-2008, 12:47 PM
I haven't gotten started on my cards yet :swoon:

I have soooo many ideas just trying to narrow some down to make things actually work

You still have time! I only have 1 card done, lol! What a good example I am, eh?

rockstarsgirl
08-06-2008, 12:56 AM
I love this group. Such amazing emotions and raw feeling. That is what I get from Anne too. Just a soul laid bare and bleeding not caring who she splashes a little blood on.

nanner
08-06-2008, 10:49 AM
Graphic, Shotgun...wowza. There goes my breakfast!

katilady
08-09-2008, 11:03 PM
Hello my lovies! Less than 6 weeks left on this swap! How's everyone doing? Just a heads up that at 3 weeks (for internationals) and 2 weeks (US) I will be sending out reminder PM's for those cards not yet turned in.

cairnlae
08-10-2008, 08:07 PM
I'm done.:yes:

katilady
08-10-2008, 08:22 PM
KAREN! F^CKING AMAZING! :notworthy:

nanner
08-10-2008, 11:02 PM
Carnie Cairnlae...wow. Holy wow.

coffeelatte
08-11-2008, 12:48 AM
I'm back...and kind of freaking out that I can't find my Sexton book...probably will be in the last bag I unpack. While I was gone, I spent more time reading and thinking than I did creating for this swap.. but should be posting a couple pics in the next day or so.

Nice to be home...but I sure would love to devote all my day to doing whatever I wanted instead of working. I've got the Monday blues already, and it's still Sunday night...

cairnlae
08-11-2008, 12:50 AM
Welcome back coffeelatte! Thanks for the comments kati and neener....I could have done a whole SLEW of these cards...I had so many great imagery ideas after pouring thru about 6 of her poems.

katilady
08-11-2008, 10:16 AM
Welcome back Cindy! I know what you mean about the Monday blues...I get the Tues, Wed, Thurs, and Fri blues too! :P I hate having to work!

And Karen, I agree, Sexton's work is rich in imagery! You did a fab job!

redplantlady
08-13-2008, 05:45 PM
Here's my latest, refers to Briar Rose
http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=29362&w=s http://www.atcsforall.com/forum/gallery/file.php?n=29363&w=s
Trying text, images, and my poem plus extract from Anne Sexton.:eek: What do you think?

nanner
08-13-2008, 06:42 PM
This is good stuff. The two face card is magnificent.

katilady
08-13-2008, 07:28 PM
AWESOME!!!

redplantlady
08-13-2008, 07:41 PM
Glad you like :notworthy:

mynameisJenn
08-14-2008, 10:30 AM
I'm finally working on my cards ;)
such awesome poetry and art on this thread